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[cobrakiwi]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Until Bill mentioned the name Kimmins, I honestly had never heard of them. I haven't seen one of their Cobras posted here.

Let's assume for the moment that the OP's car is a Kirkham, then a previous owner went through the process of eliminating any Kirkham serial/VIN numbers and then make the decision to add an AC plate and stamp COB #'s in a few places? From my side of the peanut of gallery that sounds like the beginnings of a deception to me.

Ding, Ding, Ding,

I think you may be getting warmer!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by cobrakiwi

Ding, Ding, Ding,

I think you may be getting warmer!

So, you're calling the OP a fraud? Wow, that's kinda rough. If you're planning to sell parts to the OP, then that may hurt your business prospects.

Do you see any evidence that the Kirkham serial numbers were all removed/ground off/acid dipped?

And the only problem with that theory is that it doesn't look like a Kirkham/CSX to me and the thickness of the radiator opening/mouth area is just one difference. And blaming it on a "camera angle" is a convenient excuse to fit your narrative.

As has been mentioned before, all the OP has to do is send the pictures to Kirkham and I'm sure they'll be happy to determine if the OP's car is indeed a Kirkham. Their customer service is excellent.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

So, you're calling the OP a fraud? Wow, that's kinda rough. If you're planning to sell parts to the OP, then that may hurt your business prospects.

I don't see any allegation the OP is a fraudster. The OP is not the original owner of the car. Any work to remove Kirkham traces and replace them with COB markings, assuming that's what actually happened, may well have happened prior to purchase of the car by OP. Further, if OP performed the aforementioned subterfuge, why would he raise it in a forum visited by those with expertise very likely to uncover his misdeeds?

FWIW, I believe OP's story in buying the car as he has described, and he came here legitimately seeking answers.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

I don't see any allegation the OP is a fraudster. The OP is not the original owner of the car. Any work to remove Kirkham traces and replace them with COB markings, assuming that's what actually happened, may well have happened prior to purchase of the car by OP. Further, if OP performed the aforementioned subterfuge, why would he raise it in a forum visited by those with expertise very likely to uncover his misdeeds?

FWIW, I believe OP's story in buying the car as he has described, and he came here legitimately seeking answers.

That comment was tongue-in-cheek.

But someone went through the trouble of riveting an AC ID plate on the car. And if it were an actual Kirkham/CSX, then someone went through trouble of removing the Kirkham VIN numbers everywhere, that's visible at least. Why do that? That seems awfully strange.

I'd ask, why not post it on the saacforum.com, which is where alot more Shelby Cobra experts hang out. Or send the information to Kirkham and have them give the OP their expert opinion.

[cobrakiwi]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

So, you're calling the OP a fraud? Wow, that's kinda rough. If you're planning to sell parts to the OP, then that may hurt your business prospects.

No Sir,
Wow lots of assumptions,




Do you see any evidence that the Kirkham serial numbers were all removed/ground off/acid dipped?


No, none that I can see,:
Some people do good work!

And the only problem with that theory is that it doesn't look like a Kirkham/CSX to me and the thickness of the radiator opening/mouth area is just one difference. And blaming it on a "camera angle" is a convenient excuse to fit your narrative.

Great, your opinion is loud and clear!



As has been mentioned before, all the OP has to do is send the pictures to Kirkham and I'm sure they'll be happy to determine if the OP's car is indeed a Kirkham. Their customer service is excellent.

I agree, Great people.

[cobrakiwi]

[quote=RodKnock;1406353]So, you're calling the OP a fraud? Wow, that's kinda rough.

Just to be clear!
No Sir, I am not accusing the op or any body of fraud!


Let me ask you the same,
are you accusing the op with fraud?

[RodKnock]

[quote=cobrakiwi;1406370]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

So, you're calling the OP a fraud? Wow, that's kinda rough.

Just to be clear!
No Sir, I am not accusing the op or any body of fraud!


Let me ask you the same,
are you accusing the op with fraud?

I'm unable to establish "criminal intent" over the internet. Though I did play a CSI detective on TV.

Notwithstanding, as long as that non-COB Cobra retains the riveted AC ID plate with a COB number and all other markings, if there were any to begin with, have been removed, mischievously or not, then a fraud may have or could be committed, past, present or future.

Hopefully, the OP will follow through and remove the AC ID plate and figure out a way to get rid of the other COB markings.

[cobrakiwi]

[quote=RodKnock;1406373]

Originally Posted by cobrakiwi

I'm unable to establish "criminal intent" over the internet. Though I did play a CSI detective on TV.

Notwithstanding, as long as that non-COB Cobra retains the riveted AC ID plate with a COB number and all other markings, if there were any to begin with, have been removed, mischievously or not, then a fraud may have or could be committed, past, present or future.

Hopefully, the OP will follow through and remove the AC ID plate and figure out a way to get rid of the other COB markings.

Well glad we got that cleared up,

As for your opinion, sorry I don't agree with you, I hope the op does not remove anything until he has exhausted all avenues in finding out more regarding his car.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by cobrakiwi

Well glad we got that cleared up,

As for your opinion, sorry I don't agree with you, I hope the op does not remove anything until he has exhausted all avenues in finding out more regarding his car.

Cleared up? We've established it's NOT an AC, so why keep the AC ID plate riveted on it?

I've seen you build some very nice Cobras over the years, would you ever rivet an AC (or whatever marque) ID plate or stamped non-existent VIN's on one of your builds?

I know the folks over on the SAAC Forum would not be too happy about fake Shelby Mustangs and Cobras with fake ID plates running around the globe.

Personally, I actually object to putting any Shelby wheel caps, steering wheel center cap, exterior emblems, gas pedals, or any Shelby paraphernalia on my Kirkham, let alone a Shelby/AC ID plate. And if I weren't such a lazy butt, I'd change the valve covers from "Cobra LeMans" to plain jane Blue Thunder FE valve covers.

[cobrakiwi]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Cleared up? We've established it's NOT an AC, so why keep the AC ID plate riveted on it?

Cleared up? The fact I'm not accusing anybody of fraud.


I've seen you build some very nice Cobras over the years, would you ever rivet an AC (or whatever marque) ID plate or stamped non-existent VIN's on one of your builds?

Thank you
No Sir, (to be honest, I can't remember if I added one of those cheap id tags on the foot box of my first replica or not, definitely would not stamp a fake csx#)



I know the folks over on the SAAC Forum would not be too happy about fake Shelby Mustangs and Cobras with fake ID plates running around the globe.

I think they will survive

Personally, I actually object to putting any Shelby wheel caps, steering wheel center cap, exterior emblems, gas pedals, or any Shelby paraphernalia on my Kirkham, let alone a Shelby/AC ID plate. And if I weren't such a lazy butt, I'd change the valve covers from "Cobra LeMans" to plain jane Blue Thunder FE valve covers.

Once again your opinion, I have no problem with that.

Let's take this to pm, as I am getting the feeling you want to make it personal?
As I am afraid this is getting off topic and adding no real value to the op!
Your call.