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Old 11-07-2016, 04:59 PM
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One thing that is based on actual demographic research, higher disposable income types typically are more flippers than holders......generally. For instance, the NBA.
Yes, I'm sure all the doctors, lawyers, CPA's and Facebook and Google millionaires are flipping cars part-time to make some extra cash and create headaches for themselves for some extra Christmas cash.

My LinkedIn profile says I flip cars for kicks and make a few grand every month.

Let's just say, I disagree.
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Old 11-08-2016, 08:51 AM
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Yes, I'm sure all the doctors, lawyers, CPA's and Facebook and Google millionaires are flipping cars part-time to make some extra cash and create headaches for themselves for some extra Christmas cash.

My LinkedIn profile says I flip cars for kicks and make a few grand every month.

Let's just say, I disagree.
Among the somewhat unfounded assumptions you seem intent on making is the implication I was talking about flipping....am not, was not.
Throughout the entire collector car market, there has always been a large demographic with changing interests, low threshholds of boredom, etc.
It runs right from six figure hotrods, Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches, current, vintage, and everything in between probably including the hole strata of Cobras, real, copies, almost real, etc.
If there is one particular demographic about Cobras is that now old guys that lusted after them as teens can actually afford some version of one, two stark realizations enter into the equation, A. they're getting older and B. maybe 2500lbs. & 500,600,700,HP wasn't such a great idea given A.
Lastly, it seems no matter how prepared some of these "enthusiasts" intent on being, the fact that they spent serious cash and have something that's hot, smelly, shakey, drippy, where things fall off once in a while, and will kill you for inattention.......see A.
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Old 11-08-2016, 10:34 AM
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One thing that is based on actual demographic research, higher disposable income types typically are more flippers than holders......generally.


If you're not talking about flippers here, then WTF are you talking about? You wrote the word "flippers."


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Among the somewhat unfounded assumptions you seem intent on making is the implication I was talking about flipping....am not, was not.
Throughout the entire collector car market, there has always been a large demographic with changing interests, low threshholds of boredom, etc.
It runs right from six figure hotrods, Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches, current, vintage, and everything in between probably including the hole strata of Cobras, real, copies, almost real, etc.
If there is one particular demographic about Cobras is that now old guys that lusted after them as teens can actually afford some version of one, two stark realizations enter into the equation, A. they're getting older and B. maybe 2500lbs. & 500,600,700,HP wasn't such a great idea given A.
Lastly, it seems no matter how prepared some of these "enthusiasts" intent on being, the fact that they spent serious cash and have something that's hot, smelly, shakey, drippy, where things fall off once in a while, and will kill you for inattention.......see A.
Yes, TWICE, I said I was speculating. So, you're correct, my assertions and speculation are based upon unfounded assumptions. This is the Internet. Welcome!

And finally, it sounds like you agree with me. It's easier to buy and sell a $50,000 Cobra than a $150,000 Cobra. So that's one reason why you see no Kirkhams for sale on Cobra Country and about 25 SPF's (or whatever the number). So, argue away, even though it sounds like you agree with my "unfounded assumption."

To reiterate, the SPF is a well-built well-known widely available Cobra replica brand at an attractive price point and that's one reason why there are so many for sale as compared to Kirkhams. While the Kirkham is 3x as expensive, which eliminates most Cobra replica buyers, the perceived "delicate" alloy body and long wait time to get one are also reasons for fewer Kirkhams on the market. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

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Old 11-08-2016, 12:29 PM
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If you're not talking about flippers here, then WTF are you talking about? You wrote the word "flippers."




Yes, TWICE, I said I was speculating. So, you're correct, my assertions and speculation are based upon unfounded assumptions. This is the Internet. Welcome!

And finally, it sounds like you agree with me. It's easier to buy and sell a $50,000 Cobra than a $150,000 Cobra. So that's one reason why you see no Kirkhams for sale on Cobra Country and about 25 SPF's (or whatever the number). So, argue away, even though it sounds like you agree with my "unfounded assumption."

To reiterate, the SPF is a well-built well-known widely available Cobra replica brand at an attractive price point and that's one reason why there are so many for sale as compared to Kirkhams. While the Kirkham is 3x as expensive, which eliminates most Cobra replica buyers, the perceived "delicate" alloy body and long wait time to get one are also reasons for fewer Kirkhams on the market. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

It was'nt me, I don't remember, I was overserved, the dog grabbed the keyboard, I f..ked up.
Wrong choice of words frankly. I know the flipper connotation is buy-sell make a buck but I meant more short term than collector.....my bad.
On the bright side.....you're paying attention, keep up the good work.
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Old 11-08-2016, 01:34 PM
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On the bright side.....you're paying attention, keep up the good work.
Well, with Patrick posting on this website, his obscure references and inane posts float between the vapid to challenging, so I've got to say, he sometimes makes your brain work harder.

Example: A reference to "wabi sabi" and then asking a CC poster "Why didn't you buy a Kirkham?" Oy vey.

3, 2, 1......
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Old 11-08-2016, 03:53 PM
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Example: A reference to "wabi sabi" and then asking a CC poster "Why didn't you buy a Kirkham?" Oy vey.

3, 2, 1......
No, I asked why he stuck his neck out with a basically unknown builder when there are several sure-thing options, and then pointed out KMS, SPF, ERA, FFR, to name a few. How was that anything but good advice?
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Old 11-08-2016, 05:06 PM
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No, I asked why he stuck his neck out with a basically unknown builder when there are several sure-thing options, and then pointed out KMS, SPF, ERA, FFR, to name a few. How was that anything but good advice?
Yes, buying a $100,000 bare bones roller is good advice, when your brain is operating in a vacuum. So, it seemed awfully presumptuous to me that the OP, who wanted to build and race his Cobra, and ordered a RU Crafters Cobra, was intending on dropping a $100,000 on a bare bones Kirkham roller in the first place. But hey, that's just me.
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