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Old 05-09-2019, 03:53 PM
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And, as a static tuft test, pics should be easy.

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Old 05-09-2019, 03:56 PM
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In parallel to the tuft testing, and in anticipation of my hood scoop installation, I am going to begin taking temperature readings of various engine compartment components for a couple of months (as the summer gets warmer) before the scoop and then after the scoop is installed to see if there is any relative improvement.

So here attached is a copy of the temperature measurement chart I will use.

I'm going to use my Harbor Freight Infra Red digital thermometer for the readings.


If anyone has any suggestions to add for measurement points, let me know.

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Old 05-09-2019, 04:11 PM
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Yeah I know. Engineers can't spell. LOL

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Old 05-10-2019, 06:03 AM
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So essentially the first test is primarily temperature readings with a subset of seeing what the vents are doing when the fans are engaged
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:14 AM
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Hi Jdata. Yup.

The static tuft test will at least visually tell me if the fans move air out of the fender wells/vents while the car is at a stop.

I know it does because as I said , while sitting in the driver's seat I can reach my hand forward and feel the hot air coming out the vent.

The temperature testing is more related to my plan to install a hood scoop in a month or so and see if the scoop contributes anything to cooling the top side of the motor.

I'm working on a couple of ideas to mount a camera to capture the tufts on the hood. Probably a camera mounted on the top center of the windshield frame.

And to capture the tufts at the vent, a camera mounted to an old wind wing that I have.

I'll use yellow yarn which should show up very well against my Rangoon Red paint color.


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Old 05-11-2019, 03:06 PM
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News Flash: Tuft testing update!
I hadnít really thought about doing any tuft testing quite so quickly, but it was a beautiful morning here on the central coast so I was headed to the Pismo Derelicts Saturday morning car show.

So yesterday I taped some yellow nylon string ( hereto : The Tufts) to the top inside of the side vents (that is inside the engine compartment, not on the outside of the fender).

Four tufts per side vent, one tuft per vent vane. I made the tufts about 6Ē long so they would be visible if blowing out the vent.

I did this initially to do a static (car at rest with the engine off) fan test to see if the puller fan on the engine side of the radiator would push the tufts out the vents.

It did but weakly.

So I fired up the engine and thatís what the fan needed. Amps.

The tufts now fluttered out the vents.

Hereís a pic of the tufts on the inside of the vents.

This morning I headed to the car show, only about a 10 min ride from my house and enjoyed a coffee and a chocolate buttermilk muffin. Itís important to keep your energy up during such critical testing.

After a couple of pleasant hours meeting with friends, car guys and looking at a lot of fine rides, I headed off on my usual 2 hour ride along the beaches , to landís end at Avila Bay and through some winery canyons.

Then I remembered, the tufts were still taped inside the vents.

Well, I leaned out the driverís side at about 45 or 50 mph and low and behold, the tufts cometh. They were waving at me as they fluttered out the vents and that was with no fan on.

Picture to prove it. Sadly , NO. For the moment youíll have to take my word for it.

But yesterday I was experimenting as to how to take pics of the side vents.

My idea was to mount my digital camera or GoPro to an old wind wing and take pics that way. But the angle wasnít right. And the camera mounted to the top center of the windshield frame wasnít the right angle to take pics of the hood tufts once I mount my hood scoop.

So back to the drawing board, or beach as it turns out.

While driving back past the beaches on my way home this morning, I realized my problem.

I was thinking too old. The young kids on the beach were young.

And Eureka. I saw the solution: a SELFI STICK!!!!!!!!!!!

A selfie stick could be reached along the side of the car by a passenger to take a picture of the vent tufts while the car is moving, or by me on the driverís side if Iím stupid enough. And once my hood scoop is on, a passenger can use a selfie stick to reach over the windshield and over the hood scoop inlet to take pics of the hood tufts.

Stay tuned.
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Old 05-11-2019, 03:08 PM
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Crap. wrong pic

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I went for a brief drive today and realized shortly before hitting the highway that the hood wasn't latched. As an experiment I continued on. ~75 MPH and the hood stayed down - not even a wiggle.

If there was any pressure building up under there it would have lifted.
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I went for a brief drive today and realized shortly before hitting the highway that the hood wasn't latched. As an experiment I continued on. ~75 MPH and the hood stayed down - not even a wiggle.

If there was any pressure building up under there it would have lifted.
When we raced an Austin Healey 100-4 (a similar shape to the Cobra) without a full windshield, we used loose leather belts at the rear. At speed, the rear would come up a couple of inches. The difference is that, with a windshield, high pressure extends forward enough to keep the hood down.
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Also at 75 mph......you are not going fast enough to see how the Aerodynamics change when you approach the higher race speeds.
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When we raced an Austin Healey 100-4 (a similar shape to the Cobra) without a full windshield, we used loose leather belts at the rear. At speed, the rear would come up a couple of inches. The difference is that, with a windshield, high pressure extends forward enough to keep the hood down.
I note the grille on the AH 100-4 is higher than is the opening on a Cobra. In addition the leading edge of the hood is higher and the hood itself has less front to rear slope on it than a Cobra hood. I'm not an aerodynamics expert, nor do I have access to a wind tunnel, but I believe the combined effect of these differences is quite significant.

Yes, the windshield pressure wave will affect the rear of the hood, but there are other factors at play.
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Here's a pic of the Flip Top that I grabbed from Jac Mac's posting on the Shelby related pics thread.

CSX 2196 after a mid '90s restoration:


Good shot of the hood scoop.

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Greg, check your mail/inbox/junk mail folders, I sent several more pix of 2196 incl one taken from behind with hood up at same time as thefrontal view. that shows how underside of scoop services carb only.
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Also at 75 mph......you are not going fast enough to see how the Aerodynamics change when you approach the higher race speeds.

Like what morris said.

Greg, you can drive @ 75mph, and stick your head out of the window, and then compare to driving at 150mph, and then sticking your head out of the window, and see if there's a big difference.
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Like what morris said.

Greg, you can drive @ 75mph, and stick your head out of the window, and then compare to driving at 150mph, and then sticking your head out of the window, and see if there's a big difference.
True, but the issue isn't whether there's an increase in velocity, resistance or force, the question is whether the airflow patterns change with velocity. Does laminar flow become turbulent at higher velocities?

Anyone have access to a wind tunnel?
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True, but the issue isn't whether there's an increase in velocity, resistance or force, the question is whether the airflow patterns change with velocity. Does laminar flow become turbulent at higher velocities?

Anyone have access to a wind tunnel?
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If Greg (my427cobra) can get the pic I have to upload there are a couple of interesting points. On 2196 in what I assume are very early photos the Hood Scoop went thru quite a few design changes with hole to fit 4bbl sealed off or at least close fitting, 4x 58?mm webers etc with some appearing to use pressure from base of screen etc rather than hot air from engine bay.
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While the tuffs of yarn were probably great at the time, Iím wondering if a remote temperature sensor would be the ultimate tool to check the direction of the air flow at speed thru the vents.
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