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Originally Posted by 767Jockey
It has NOTHING to do with what I or anyone else on this site can afford. Your statement on that drips with ignorant arrogance. The fact is that this Cobra community is the only car owners group that buys the Avon because in reality it's a marginal tire that just happens to be the best of a very bad group and for what it is it's insanely overpriced. It has nothing to do with whatever anyone on here can afford. It's about not overpaying for marginal performance and trying to get better performance at a price commensurate with that improved performance level. Nothing more and nothing less.
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A little sensitivity here 767Jockey? A casual reading of the posts in this thread have pricing as a recurring complaint, in particular for Avons.
Your personal attacks in response to someone else touching on what is apparently a sensitive issue for you adds no value to the discussion. If you have factual commentary it is certainly welcome. Personal attacks are the refuge of those who have no credible logical argument to table supporting their position.
If for argument's sake we accept your representation that AVONs in fact are marginal tires, that doesn't alter the fact that they are the best of the marginal or even sub marginal tires offered for our cars. It's sort or like saying the air is only marginally more than 20% oxygen. So what, that is adequate for us to breathe and not suffocate — same story for the tires.
With respect to overpriced, well that is relative isn't it now. If you are looking for any alternatives for the performance (which you evaluate as substandard) surprise, surprise they do not exist. Sooo, how much is that performance worth to the owner of the car?
For some people the price is simply not worth the performance and they don't buy them. For others it is and they do buy them. The casual bystander might read your commentary as the tires are not worth it to you. Your call, and you are entitled to it.
Disparaging commentary about the products pricing because you think it is overpriced is certainly your prerogative but again, to a casual observer it probably looks like sour grapes or yet another cheap shot.
Avon did not need to nor have to make tires for these cars. They chose to. I think it is an easy reach to say they are not a significant contributor to the firm's bottom line. In fact they are probably a push at best.
If that is true, and that certainly remains to be proven, that means they produced the tires for another reason and I suspect priced them to break even for the firm because profit was not the motivation.
We are back to a very small market, looking for a high performance component, with fairly high sunk costs to put into production. Some of the members of this group eschews a decent and at the current time best offering for their use while complaining about what is very likely a break even pricing model.
Now does something seem a little arrogant about your attitude and that type of behavior ... ?
I know you can do better because I have observed you doing better. If you have a good rational agument against what AVON is doing for us, table it and lets take a look.
Cheap shots, I have believed, were beneath you. I still think I am right and this was probably just a bad day. Am I right?
Ed
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