$8 a Gallon here

[redmt]

The electric grid is crumbling. The greed and corruption goes unchecked. Electricity prices are soaring to try and slow the consumption of the "energy efficient" all electric homes. Solar is becoming mandatory for new construction in many parts of the country. Solar panels have a finite life as do the batteries. Where do the batteries come from? How are they made? What do you do to recycle them? The electric cars fit into a very small populace that can fit into an even smaller life style. Wind power? There's an old saying that you don't want to live where a wind generator is efficient. BTW, how did all these new electric cars and solar panels along with the massive wind turbines get built? The majority are imported from china and shipped with the new Tesla electric freighter ships.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by redmt

The electric grid is crumbling. The greed and corruption goes unchecked. Electricity prices are soaring to try and slow the consumption of the "energy efficient" all electric homes. Solar is becoming mandatory for new construction in many parts of the country. Solar panels have a finite life as do the batteries. Where do the batteries come from? How are they made? What do you do to recycle them? The electric cars fit into a very small populace that can fit into an even smaller life style. Wind power? There's an old saying that you don't want to live where a wind generator is efficient. BTW, how did all these new electric cars and solar panels along with the massive wind turbines get built? The majority are imported from china and shipped with the new Tesla electric freighter ships.

The electric grid is sized for consumption. It's resized for incremental growth. But the capacity planners are not prepared for a doubling of consumption in 5 years. The grid has no storage capacity - it is not a battery - what goes in is what goes out. Watts have to come from somewhere. Petrolium supplies a lot of watts. Shifting from liquid watts to wire watts is not an infrastructure change that can happen overnight. Nor will it be cheap.

Pretty soon some electric supplier is going to go to their states Public Utilities Commission and ask for a double-the-price rate increase. The reason - we have to double the capacity of the wires to these locations. The powers that be will whine but they'll have no choice.

The likelihood is it'll happen soon, but I still probably won't be around to see it.

Common sense seems to have left the building.

[Dumpling]

I will point out that EV will probably lead to GPS miles tracked per vehicle as more and more states realize they're losing fuel taxes based on (sort of) miles driven between fillups. I believe Oregon and/or Washington already have designs for such options.

And then there's the problem of people of running extension cords from 2nd story balconies, and over fences, and across sidewalks..because most people don't live in gated communities with separate 6 car garages...

https://www.kcra.com/article/electri...cture/39027899

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Dumpling

I will point out that EV will probably lead to GPS miles tracked per vehicle as more and more states realize they're losing fuel taxes based on (sort of) miles driven between fillups. I believe Oregon and/or Washington already have designs for such options.

And then there's the problem of people of running extension cords from 2nd story balconies, and over fences, and across sidewalks..because most people don't live in gated communities with separate 6 car garages...

https://www.kcra.com/article/electri...cture/39027899

All states will have to come to grips that road taxes collected on petrol will not support the street/highway infrastructure. Nevada started collecting "miles driven" I think about 5 years ago (I know all of my emissions tests now have it, and we get emissions annually). I'm sure they're thinking of how to change to a usage model. The problem will be how to do it fairly. For example, we drive only a few miles a day here in Vegas, and the bulk of our miles driven are going to/from Colorado so most of the miles are actually clocked in Utah and Colorado. Now maybe if everyone collects it all in their home state and everyone travels then it averages out, but if you recall many states had the "inspection" stations for trucks (and many still do and equally many sit on the side of the freeway abandoned). They weren't really looking for safety, they were clocking your miles when you entered the state and when you left and how much fuel you bought while inside and the truck firm got a bill for "use". It could come back to that. I almost expect to see "toll" type sensors at each state/locality boundary that collects road taxes. Or maybe all the highways become toll roads.

Cars could also collect the GPS location of charging and similarly report power usage and the tax woudl be on power. (just like gas isn't based on miles but gallons.)

It's complicated but the current infrastructure is basically the early days of auto diesel until it became a big enough deal to collect the taxes - they will figure it out.