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RodKnock 06-19-2022 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nkb (Post 1507544)
Nope, that ship has sailed. Kirkham rollers with no engine and transmission $200k plus. And $25k more if you want polished or brushed.

Fundamental change in business model.

You won’t find any pricing on the website either.

Any idea on when prices changed so dramatically? Now I’m too nervous to ever drive my car again. 😀

mrmustang 06-19-2022 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1507571)
Any idea on when prices changed so dramatically? Now I’m too nervous to ever drive my car again. 😀

100K for your dust covered, neglected, unloved Kirkham, can wire the funds tomorrow. Throw in a certain LB "C" and I'll up it 15K for the pair. ;)


Bill S.

RodKnock 06-19-2022 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 1507575)
100K for your dust covered, neglected, unloved Kirkham, can wire the funds tomorrow. Throw in a certain LB "C" and I'll up it 15K for the pair. ;)


Bill S.

Uh, the OP is advertising his Kirkham for $155,000. And mine has lower miles. A little margin in there for you and you already have a BIG stable. :LOL:

Apologies to Ted, I didn't mean to derail his thread. I've just been out of the loop on this site, and Cobra, specifically, Kirkham prices. I'm genuinely surprised.

RodKnock 06-19-2022 03:35 PM

If a new Kirkham roller is $200,000, polishing (or paint) is another $25,000. And I assume engines and trannys aren't cheap either, maybe another $25,000 +/-, plus all the other "little things," doesn't that make Ted's car at roughly a 50% discount "reasonable" given the circumstances?

DanEC 06-19-2022 05:26 PM

I remember back around 2010 Keith Craft was selling a Kirkham in his shop with one of his 482 motors in it for right around $100,000. I even sat in it on the trip to watch my motor dyno test. I knew it was a deal but I was still trying to figure out how to make retirement work and I barely had it figured out with the ERA.

mrmustang 06-19-2022 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1507576)
Uh, the OP is advertising his Kirkham for $155,000. And mine has lower miles. A little margin in there for you and you already have a BIG stable. :LOL:

Apologies to Ted, I didn't mean to derail his thread. I've just been out of the loop on this site, and Cobra, specifically, Kirkham prices. I'm genuinely surprised.

That wasn't a no ;)


Bill S. :p

cycleguy55 06-20-2022 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1507535)
Wait, what? You can't be "talking" about Kirkham's without engines and transmissions? You must mean newly sorted and running Kirkham's?

Last I recall, a Kirkham roller, no engine and trans, advertised on their website was $99,000.

Yes, Kirkham prices were once easily found on their website. Alas, they no longer provide that information. I follow David Kirkham on FB and I know he has been lamenting the various supply chain issues for some time now. Much of the parts and pieces Kirkham once purchased they no longer buy from suppliers, manufacturing more and more components 'in house'. They've invested in 5-axis CNC mills, heat treating, etc., but even that's been increasingly a problem due to raw materials delays and shortages.

I suspect a good portion of the price increases is due to the above plus, of course, their reputation as the premier manufacturer of replica Cobras has no doubt allowed them to price accordingly.

peterpjb 06-20-2022 01:13 PM

body and chassis isn’t everything, a turnkey with original parts, drivetrain and suspension (289) can easily double the price

Steve Gallegos 06-20-2022 01:28 PM

So, what does it cost these companies to build these cars? Kirkham, Backdraft, Shelby? What is the profit margin?

cycleguy55 06-21-2022 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Gallegos (Post 1507607)
So, what does it cost these companies to build these cars? Kirkham, Backdraft, Shelby? What is the profit margin?

Does it matter? They need enough profit to remain in operation and invest in their businesses. Pricing will be what the market will bear. I certainly don't begrudge Kirkham, Shelby, or anyone else the profit they make.

RodKnock 06-21-2022 11:47 AM

Last I remember, they're private companies, but for Shelby, which is a thinly traded public company. Shelby does have a positive gross profit, but negative EBITDA.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CSBI/financials?p=CSBI

The replica Cobra business charges what the market can bear. Welcome to the free market economy.

peterpjb 06-21-2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1507650)
Last I remember, they're private companies, but for Shelby, which is a thinly traded public company. Shelby does have a positive gross profit, but negative EBITDA.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CSBI/financials?p=CSBI

The replica Cobra business charges what the market can bear. Welcome to the free market economy.

SAI doesn’t make replicas…

RodKnock 06-21-2022 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by peterpjb (Post 1507660)
SAI doesn’t make replicas…

We’ve had this discussion, years ago. Let’s agree to disagree.

mrmustang 06-21-2022 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by peterpjb (Post 1507660)
SAI doesn’t make replicas…


They didn't make original Cobras after 1967 either, just saying ;)


Bill S.

RodKnock 06-21-2022 05:56 PM

One of the reasons that I stopped coming back to Club Cobra for some years is this "rabbit hole" of a topic. We had 100-page discussions about it. People's beliefs are their own, not everyone has to share them.

patrickt 06-21-2022 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1507673)
One of the reasons that I stopped coming back to Club Cobra for some years is this "rabbit hole" of a topic. We had 100-page discussions about it. People's beliefs are their own, not everyone has to share them.

Then feast your eyes on the modification I made to the "remove my spinner with one finger thread" by making the removal tool not only portable but it's capable of putting close to 5,000 ft/lbs down on that spinner. Yep, the more things change the more they stay the same.:cool:



https://i.ibb.co/QNXXCqL/torqmult001.jpg

RodKnock 06-21-2022 07:43 PM

Mickey Thompson's and balancing with weights on the outside? Are we stuck in the 1960's? :LOL:

Seriously, how many times have you posted that pic?

patrickt 06-21-2022 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1507683)
Are we stuck in the 1960's? :LOL:

In a word, yes.

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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1507683)
Seriously, how many times have you posted that pic?

Well I only got the torque multiplier a couple of weeks ago, so maybe twice I guess. But the original thread was back in 2018. You're probably thinking of that. Here: http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/all-...ne-finger.html

mrmustang 06-21-2022 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1507683)
Mickey Thompson's and balancing with weights on the outside? Are we stuck in the 1960's? :LOL:

Seriously, how many times have you posted that pic?

See, I told you Patrick missed you :D


Bill S.

cycleguy55 06-21-2022 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by peterpjb (Post 1507660)
SAI doesn’t make replicas…

Production of originals ceased in 1967. Current CSX cars aren't made on original tooling so, yes, they're replicas - even with a Shelby badge.


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