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06-09-2022, 12:40 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: BRADENTON,
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Cobra Make, Engine: KIRKHAM 427 S/C, SHELBY 427 ALUM. STROKER
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mm: since Fl does not purge old titles, if you input the vin for this car in their records, it will come up as "salvage, non rebuildable" so there is no way they could change that and issue a rebuilt title using that same VIN .
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06-09-2022, 12:52 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2001
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Cobra Make, Engine: KIRKHAM 427 S/C, SHELBY 427 ALUM. STROKER
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as stated previously, the car is titled and tagged in Louisiana, at my Daughters address,
no problem. My insurance is with Robbin Terry @ Midwest Classics Ins. 888-271-400.
I have been with them for many years, Ageed value policy @ $500/yr.
Louisiana needed ins in LA. before issuing title. Midwest took care of that in the blink of an eye, then to the DMV for state police for title /vin ck, took that paper to title & Tag office (Independent contractor) out of there w/all papers for under $400 !
There are other states that do the same.
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Last edited by MOTORHEAD; 06-09-2022 at 12:55 PM..
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06-09-2022, 01:06 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-FIA, 66 mustang convertible, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD
Patrick: Exactly !!!!!!!
Shortly after i bought it, and had talked to both David and Tom, I asked Tom what a new chassis would cost. He said he'd ck on it and let me know. He called next day and says
"we've got some body/chassis here for Shelby that he didn't need, so you could have one of those which would be a CSX vin, for $25 000." I told him I spent all my "mad" money on the purchase of the car , so I'd have to pass. After I hung up, I started thinking that the CSX number would increase the car value and offset the expense.
So the next day I called Tom back to tell him I'd take that deal, and he says "Somehow Shelby got wind of the deal and told them "No way in hell!!!" So close !
Ted
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Just a mild correction to the above, Kirkham does not have the authority to stamp a CSX number into their frame/body assemblies. This is done under close federal scrutiny by Shelby American Inc (back in that timeline). Kirkham can only offer one of their own KMP (again timeline related) VIN numbers to be stamped into the frame.
Bill S.
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06-09-2022, 01:16 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-FIA, 66 mustang convertible, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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AS promised, the site is up and running.
'www.tedscobra.com"
It's a bit quirky, the different sections are on different pages
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I do love the attention to detail, and I will walk back my earlier comment about the birdcage needing replacement. Fire damage was quite focused, and you and the car are both lucky because of that.
Again, good luck with the sale.
Bill S.
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06-10-2022, 05:12 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Phoenix,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Ex owner of a polished Kirkham 427 S/C. Now Cobra-less and driving a mid-engine German hot rod.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moore_rb
The VIN plate on a Kirkham is affixed to the body, not the frame. I'm not sure if they stamp the number into the frame as well...?
Regardless: You would need to purchase a new body (wearing a new ID tag)
and possibly a new frame (if they are indeed number-matched), and including a new MCO document from Kirkham for your idea to work...
I'm not sure what Kirkham's legal capability would be to fulfill such a transaction...?
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For a Kirkham, there is a VIN plate on the passenger side foot box under the hood but VIN is also stamped into the shock towers and onto the door hinge mounts on the frame. |
06-10-2022, 09:35 AM
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06-10-2022, 10:29 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: AK1085 (302), HTM111 (427 Comp), CSX2375R (289 Comp) and Scratch 427 S/C
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Wow to that site!
very cool documentation, Kudos
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06-10-2022, 10:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD
Patrick: Exactly !!!!!!!
Shortly after i bought it, and had talked to both David and Tom, I asked Tom what a new chassis would cost. He said he'd ck on it and let me know. He called next day and says
"we've got some body/chassis here for Shelby that he didn't need, so you could have one of those which would be a CSX vin, for $25 000." I told him I spent all my "mad" money on the purchase of the car , so I'd have to pass. After I hung up, I started thinking that the CSX number would increase the car value and offset the expense.
So the next day I called Tom back to tell him I'd take that deal, and he says "Somehow Shelby got wind of the deal and told them "No way in hell!!!" So close !
Ted
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Weird story, about a year ago on FB someone from Shelby American was advertising various aluminum panels and a complete Kirkham body for 20k. The post disappeared in less than 24hrs. Always figured it was a scam, but maybe not. |
06-16-2022, 10:41 AM
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I see that it says reduced to 155k, what was it to start with?
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06-16-2022, 12:06 PM
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Kanuck, I started @ $165k,
If you're interested, you can call me at 941-730-2020. Open to offers.
Ted
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06-16-2022, 08:20 PM
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The prices of used Kirkham's must have gone since I've been gone.
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06-17-2022, 07:50 AM
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Rodknock:
Not just Kirkhams, all makes of Cobras on BAT seem higher than a couple of years ago.
Fueled by "cabin fever" after two years of Covid ????
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06-17-2022, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD
Rodknock:
Not just Kirkhams, all makes of Cobras on BAT seem higher than a couple of years ago.
Fueled by "cabin fever" after two years of Covid ????
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I've always watched the prices and feel that it's not really covid related, but market driven, watching the housing market in the same way, awaiting a bubble to burst and seeing homes spending more time on the market at inflated prices getting marked down a week or two in, when before, they were lasting hours, and bidding wars were taking place.
Bill S.
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06-17-2022, 09:43 AM
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I've watched some BAT auctions over the past couple years and prices have risen dramatically. Subaru's for heavens sake are being sold for $200,000-$300,000. Parts for cars on BAT are also crazy too. I have some parts that have tripled in value, if I were to auction them off on BAT.
However, the stock market has tanked, interest rates have risen and I expect prices overall to fall. I've actually moved all my assets into baby formula. 
I do get eBay notifications for Kirkham's and I have seen some auctions/ads where the price is over $200,000, but I just thought they were delusions of grandeur. |
06-18-2022, 11:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
I've watched some BAT auctions over the past couple years and prices have risen dramatically. Subaru's for heavens sake are being sold for $200,000-$300,000. Parts for cars on BAT are also crazy too. I have some parts that have tripled in value, if I were to auction them off on BAT.
However, the stock market has tanked, interest rates have risen and I expect prices overall to fall. I've actually moved all my assets into baby formula.
I do get eBay notifications for Kirkham's and I have seen some auctions/ads where the price is over $200,000, but I just thought they were delusions of grandeur. |
From what I have heard, brand new Kirkham rollers are over $200k now. |
06-18-2022, 11:53 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Alloy Shelby CSX 8057/Kirkham 1010, 289 Vintage Lykins Build
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1ntCobra
From what I have heard, brand new Kirkham rollers are over $200k now.
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I can verify that number from direct interaction with Kirkham.
A new aluminum Shelby CSX roller (using a KMP body and frame) closer to a $250K or more.
I wonder with the stock market decline and impending recession whether this price exuberance will start to dampen. |
06-18-2022, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by nkb
I wonder with the stock market decline and impending recession whether this price exuberance will start to dampen.
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I sincerely doubt you will see prices of anything go down. In all my years going through inflation and recession only very basic commodities change prices. The car prices that have gone up 20% over the past year due to supply chain and other issues are not going to go down when those restrictions are relaxed. Bread, milk, gas, and real estate, yes. Basic goods? Not a lot. The only thing that will change is the RATE of the increases.
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06-18-2022, 02:49 PM
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I believe in Indiana a car with a salvage title can resurrected if repaired correctly at least in some cases.
IE a friend bought a mercedes with a blown motor. It had hit a rock and knocked a hole in the pan. He bought a good used motor and subsequently got a clean title I believe.
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06-18-2022, 06:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1ntCobra
From what I have heard, brand new Kirkham rollers are over $200k now.
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Wait, what? You can't be "talking" about Kirkham's without engines and transmissions? You must mean newly sorted and running Kirkham's?
Last I recall, a Kirkham roller, no engine and trans, advertised on their website was $99,000. |
06-19-2022, 12:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
Wait, what? You can't be "talking" about Kirkham's without engines and transmissions? You must mean newly sorted and running Kirkham's?
Last I recall, a Kirkham roller, no engine and trans, advertised on their website was $99,000.
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Nope, that ship has sailed. Kirkham rollers with no engine and transmission $200k plus. And $25k more if you want polished or brushed.
Fundamental change in business model.
You won’t find any pricing on the website either. |
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