What is a FIA Cobra ? - Page 2

KobraKarl · #21 (**permalink**) 01-08-2003, 11:16 PM

Gentlemen,

Friedman was certainly no big fan of the 427 car ,he quotes Innes Ireland co- driving a 427 at the targaFliorio. "The worst car i ever drove.it was like driving a forty-six-mile-long accident-waiting -to-happen. " his co -driver wrecked the same day.
the 427 was just the final page in the open body rendition, unable to aerodynamicaly go much over 160 mph.
the 427 car was not raced very successfully by shelby, but other racers did quite well. im not aware of a 289 car ever winning much after 64 either.
im getting way off topic here ,any fia/289 car guy should own"dave friedmans Shelby cobra ", plenty of dash pic's too.

Karl

Excaliber · #22 (**permalink**) 01-09-2003, 12:54 AM

doctorstrange,,,,all this great info and now you want pictures too??? lol, me to!

Ernie

computerworks · #23 (**permalink**) 01-09-2003, 07:02 AM

CSX2259

CSX2260

Cal Metal · #24 (**permalink**) 01-09-2003, 07:47 AM

Ron:

Correct me if I am wrong but the first pic looks like Lyn Park's FIA. Is that correct?

computerworks · #25 (**permalink**) 01-09-2003, 07:49 AM

yup...that's Lynn's car

John McMahon · #26 (**permalink**) 01-09-2003, 10:27 AM

Quote:

casaleenie: FIA stands for about $30,000. plus

Bit of an understatement...I have 30K in my roller alone....

....more like 50 to 55K.

Excaliber · #27 (**permalink**) 01-09-2003, 10:46 AM

I thought 30K was a really good price.............

Ernie

BT SNAKE · #28 (**permalink**) 01-09-2003, 02:12 PM

Cal,
Wasn't the P1075 GT40 a rebodied Mirage with the
new 302 Boss engine? Seems I read that somewhere. I
believe there was just two GT's done this way.

Hersh

Cal Metal · #29 (**permalink**) 01-09-2003, 06:40 PM

BT:

Yes, it was a rebuild of Mirage M 10002. The motor was not a 302 Boss but the tried and true thin wall 289 with Gurney Westlake heads.

BT SNAKE · #30 (**permalink**) 01-10-2003, 11:16 AM

Thanks Cal,
I don't know much about the 289 thin wall. I will have to do
some research to see what I can find out about it.

Here is a exerpt from "GT40 The Early years" By Richard Guest......

These developments included wider rear bodywork to accommodate wider racing tyres, with six spoke magnesium knock on wheels, more efficient Girling brakes, a very strong engine:- 400 BHP at 6,500 rpm and 385 lbs.ft of torque in 1968. In 1969 this was raised to 425 BHP at slightly lower revs of 6,250 and 396 lbs of torque at 4,750 rpm with a 302 ci. engine plus other improvements

Hersh

snakeeyes · #31 (**permalink**) 01-10-2003, 01:54 PM

Okay, Hersh, now you've done it. A GT40 book I don't know about? Do tell us some details on the Guest book you quote--publisher, publication date, ISBN, etc. I looked it up on a couple of bookfinding websites with no hits at all, so unless you fess up on the specifics, I'll be forced to put on my all-black outfit and pick the lock on your front door in the middle of the night...

Bob

snakeeyes · #32 (**permalink**) 01-10-2003, 02:36 PM

As added incentive, Hersh, I'll provide some TOP SECRET information on a GT40 book not even published yet. Yes, there is a new one, by esteemed authors Carroll Smith and Pete Lyons, which is touted as an inside look at conceiving, designing, and engineering the GT40. The only place I've found that even lists it is www.bn.com. It supposedly will be available at the end of the month, for $39.95. The ISBN is 0768009219...

Bob

Thorin · #33 (**permalink**) 01-10-2003, 02:47 PM

Snakeeyes,

Hersh is attempting to keep others from finding out about the book! According to what I have found so far - the name is "The Ford GT40 - The Early Years" Haven't found one for sale yet!

http://www.gt40.co.uk/gt40st15.html

Is it a book or an article???

Thanks for the hint Snakeeyes:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...68009219&itm=7

Dave Lowell

snakeeyes · #34 (**permalink**) 01-10-2003, 03:13 PM

Dave, as always, you're right on top of things. Looks like an article to me. I wondered when I didn't find it in the book search engines I use, as they will typically pull up book titles like the giant Acme magnets Wile E. Coyote used to use to try to catch the Roadrunner.

The new '40 book sounds interesting. Carroll Smith worked at Shelby's back in the day, so he should have good insights. I hope/wish they spoke to Phil Remington and Chuck Beck, as they were both there as well (and, in the case of Rem, played a crucial role in making the cars the world beaters they ended up being). Of course, nobody consulted me before writing the thing so who knows.

Bob

BT SNAKE · #35 (**permalink**) 01-10-2003, 07:14 PM

Bob,
You're crackin' me up here. No Ninja suit necessary. I
pulled that off of the article that was run in the GT40 clubs
magazine. I do trust their articles for accuracy as they tend to be extreme in keeping the history straight.
But I'm still confused as to what 1075 had as a powerplant. I hope somebody can find the facts.
Besides Bob, I would nevvvvver keep good
info from you.

Hersh

Cal, thanks for the email about the 289's.

snakeeyes · #36 (**permalink**) 01-10-2003, 07:36 PM

Hersh, I appreciate the confusion over 1075's powerplant. Depending on what source you use--the Spain book, the recent Legate book--you will read that 1074 was a rebuild of Mirage M/10002, that 1075 was a rebuild of M/10002, that 1075 was a rebuild of M/10003, etc. Creates some ambiguity because Legate says M/10003 raced with "four different engines" (without specifying the differences) and states elsewhere that 1075 raced with 289, 302, and 305 c.i. powerplants. It's not clear what was in the car at what point, although Spain states that 1075 had engine 67/10, a 1968 Ford 289 with Gurney-Weslake heads and Weber carbs. One would assume that is a reference to the engine in the car during its '68 Le Mans win, but what the hell do I know.

Bob

snakeeyes · #37 (**permalink**) 01-10-2003, 07:37 PM

BTW, anyone wondering what a Mirage looks like can check out my photo album--

snakeeyes · #38 (**permalink**) 01-10-2003, 08:35 PM

An interesting (but no more illuminating) addendum to the confusion--the Registry says that 1074 was rebuilt from M/10003, and that the whereabouts of M/10002 are unknown (or were as of 1997, at least). According to SAAC, 1075 was not a Mirage rebuild but rather was "built from new with Mirage-style modified front upper chassis". Who knows. The Registry also echoes Legate (or vice-versa) in stating that 1075 (and 1074) ran at various times with 289, 302, and 305 engines--

Sorry, Hersh. I need to fire up the time machine--

Bob

Excaliber · #39 (**permalink**) 01-10-2003, 08:49 PM

Man this is the coolest thread we've had in a while. Wait,,,,,so many are good, lol.

Ernie

BT SNAKE · #40 (**permalink**) 01-11-2003, 08:24 AM

It's interesting to me that there is no facts of verification on all these publications. I thought that a displacment declaration had to be made before the car could compete in Lemans. I'm very surprized that none of these authors have mentioned any person such as a mechanic that would verify there printed word.
It would also be interesting to know if the same engine is still in 1075 when it won the last Lemans.
Well. I started a thread with this subject over on the GT40 forum.
http://www.gt40s.com/cgi-bin/ultimat...c&f=1&t=001043

There are several participants over there that are really up on GT history, so perhaps they will dig around and see what they can find.

Hersh

PS... Bob, I'm afriad our time machine may have been lost when John Weyer Died. That man surely would have known the answer.
Perhaps there may be another who was deeply involved at that time still around..ummmm.. who could that be????