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12-16-2003, 07:44 PM
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Woods,
Ernies "acidic" review of that "Square tube P.O.S." was an "ironic barb" toward some habitual Shelby kickers.........it was funny....in its context ...and I'm sure Ernie wasnt speaking of the car so much as trying to jar people loose of their grip on Shelby's neck...
Dont turn it into anything more...... 
Dont do it till you are unconcho....KK
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12-16-2003, 08:02 PM
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You mean to say that Ernie was picking on me AGAIN?
All right Oinie, you're off this years Christmas list!
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12-16-2003, 08:18 PM
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That comment was also refferenced with:
"If the shoe fits wear it." My good buddy Shawn here in Hawaii owns an SPF. He knows I wasn't talking about him! Indeed, the comment was was directed to the "habitual" slammers of all things Shelby.
While I have extreme respect for "accurate" replicas I still prefer something "different". The Excal, now gone, is the ONLY replica out there that can be licensed ANYWHERE in heart beat, because it DOES meet the DOT standards!
Plus, I like a little bigger, doesn't change my opinion about Shelbys one bit!
Ernie
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12-16-2003, 08:32 PM
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Here's what I know: The Deacon, MR. TROLL, hasn't posted anything for about two pages now. He's sitting back and getting his rocks off watching the sh_tstorm he created. Kill the thread anyway, Captain Jamo.
TT
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12-16-2003, 08:36 PM
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Tom,
The Deacon opened Pandoras Box and if he's talking for Shelby American, they need to address these issues promply and perform damage control if necessary. I thought that he was Shelby alumnus and was surprised to see his return.
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12-16-2003, 08:40 PM
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Tom
You're probably right O' Wise One. But now that Woods and Ernie have reholstered their guns, hopefully everyone is smart enough to let this thread die.
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12-16-2003, 09:07 PM
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The way I understand it is this:
If Shelby has a financial arrangement with someone to make Cobra pedal cars or Chocolate Cobras for your Easter basket, and he says they are Shelby Cobras, then by god, they are, and they can go into the registry. It doesn't matter if they were made in Thames Ditton or Zanzibar.
That is not anything too difficult to understand--his name, his game. You pay, you play.
The really amazing thing is that, to many people, the fact that Shelby's name is on it, the simple fact that he has a bare financial relationship with whoever the manufacturer is, conveys a special quality on the product, such that the same product made by the same manufacturer on the same assembly line and using the same materials, but without having paid the monetary tribute to Shelby, has less intrinsic value. It's a fact-- demonstrated over and over in threads on this forum.
But it works for him. It's the gringo version of "la mordita." It makes you think that if all the replica makers had been willing to give Shelby the kind of cut he really wanted, wouldn't we all be driving genuine Shelbys right now, whether the manufacturer was Kirkham or Factory Five?
Evan would have to go back to counting rivets..... just kidding , big guy.
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12-16-2003, 09:07 PM
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12-16-2003, 09:07 PM
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Does it make one bit of difference when you pull into the service station with your car and a crowd appears what marque of "Cobra" you drive--you are driving a car most would die to own--they don't care if it's "real" or Replica" CSX or Fiberfab--it's a "Cobra".
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12-16-2003, 09:26 PM
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Allen? Allen, you still here, what happened? 
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12-16-2003, 09:36 PM
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Hmmm.. the censors are clearly at work. And I didn't even use any bad language. Please, Great Webmaster, tell me how I have offended. 
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12-16-2003, 09:40 PM
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......On a lighter note......I was having dinner lastnight; the wife made Chili. Very good (as usual) and I took my bowl into the kitchen and placed it in the sink when I was finished. She happened to leave the Chili mix out on the counter and I glanced at it while at the sink. I noticed a Black hat....... I said "couldn't be...." I turned the mix towards me and it said "Shelby" on it. I laughed and asked the wife if she bought it on purpose. She didn't know what I was talking about.....she said she's been using it for over 2 years and bought it because I liked it the first time she made it!
......I had NO idea.
BTW......it's DAMN good chili mix! I didn't happen to see where it was made though......NOT that it matters.
If it's got a CSX number on it, and it's a quality product, it doesn't matter if it was made HERE or S. Africa. It's a SHELBY.
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Sorry Allen. A little fun between Gasholes and you got caught in the crossfire. Your post is back where it belongs.
TC...I'm gunning for ya! 
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12-16-2003, 09:42 PM
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No worries Allen, I have screenshots.  Glad your post got restored. You on dial up as well?
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12-16-2003, 09:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by TerrysSPF
I turned the mix towards me and it said "Shelby" on it. I laughed and asked the wife if she bought it on purpose. She didn't know what I was talking about.....she said she's been using it for over 2 years and bought it because I liked it the first time she made it!
......I had NO idea.
BTW......it's DAMN good chili mix! I didn't happen to see where it was made though......NOT that it matters.
If it's got a CSX number on it, and it's a quality product, it doesn't matter if it was made HERE or S. Africa. It's a SHELBY.
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At least you have been eatin' REAL chili for the last 2 years. 
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12-16-2003, 10:14 PM
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.....It WAS REAL!! ....and made right here in my kitchen!
I wonder if I could become the next tri-state Shelby dealer......
Hummmmm.....
They would probably make me get rid of my SPF first, though... 
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12-16-2003, 10:14 PM
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Hey Guys...
So much stuff flying around out there about what is what, and who is who...does it matter who is who?? I am just a guy offering up an opinion, not sanctioned by anyone other than myself. I just wanted to offer food for thought. I have to say that there are a bunch of great people that work for Shelby Automobiles, just as there were that worked for Shelby American. I have no bones to pick with Shelby Automobiles. I know full well that parts for Cobras and other cars made by Shelby came from Russia, Poland, Germany, England, Mexico, China, Japan, Austrialia, New Zealand, South Africa, France, Canada, etc. However, the cars were assembled here for the most part, and that is simply not true anymore. I know that the bodies for the first Cobras came from AC in England, but for the most part they were assembled here in the USA. I believe there is a difference betweem US Cobras and SA Cobras, not necessarily in quality, but in image and perception of image. Not saying a SA Cobra would not be fun, but it would not be the same for me, and that is just a feeling, or a lack of nuisuaince that would not be the same. Let me know what you guys think...
Thanks..
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12-16-2003, 10:25 PM
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....Notice Deacon always wants to know "what we think".....? It's like jabbing a needle in our side and trying to start a war of words between us friendly folks, that made a choice of one mfgr over another for our own personal reasons. Weather we did so because of money, looks, name, CSX number, or wanting to build the car yourself.......it shouldn't matter. .....And it DEFINATELY isn't worth fighting over.
I say, stop taking the bait. Next he'll start a pissing contest wondering why one would choose a SB over a BB.
......of course, that confuses me as well.....
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12-16-2003, 11:04 PM
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Bait?? Well, for me it was more like hook line and stinker,,,uh, I mean sinker.
It was a beautiful day here today, just like yesterday. My banana tree is doing just fine, and the flowers are in full bloom! Gotta love Hawaii.
Ernie
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12-16-2003, 11:28 PM
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Hey Guys.
I get the message, so I will drop this line of conversation. I have to tell you that I personally like the "Shelbster", because he has managed to stay in the "game" for so long.
The other thing I would like to know is what are the reasons for the delays of the Cobras coming from South Africa? I have seen what Shelby said before, but is "filling the pipeline" and quality issues really the reasons? What other projects are coming down the pike? I am kinda hoping that there are other projects coming, and that something new will come out of Shelby. In the past there has been partial delivery on just about everything, but not completion on some things. Smoke and Mirrors is a good game, but what is real? I was in the loop for awhile, but not have been out for a bit. Let me know guys.
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