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04-07-2008, 09:36 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Gilroy,
CA
Cobra Make, Engine: West Coast Cobra w/ Centrifugally Blown Big Block, Pickles, Onions, on a Sesame Seed Bun.
Posts: 493
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SA vs M Pricing
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Originally Posted by Michael C Henry
Why are helmets ment for cars so much more expensive than DOT approved motorcycle helmets?
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The justification for the high price seems to be:
"Fire resistant." or "Roll-Bar impact tested." with a "How much is your head worth?" thrown in for good measure.
IMHO, the reality for the prices being so high is supply and demand. If every helmet required an SA rating, the economics of producing them would be better; and the competition among manufacturers would be even more fierce; which drives the prices down. There just aren't as many helmet wearing race car drivers as there are motorcyclists and if you can turn a better profit selling into a smaller market, why not...whatever the market will bear.
As far as usage in a Cobra, it may seem like we're better protected than a motorcycle except for the fact that most of us have a steel bar behind our heads with a low-back seat, a steel wheel in front of our faces, no airbag, no collapsing steering column, and want to live to talk about it. I don't know about you guys, but if it was socially acceptable I'd prefer to wear a helmet on the STREET at times. I'm certainly willing to get an SA helmet if the conditions merit it; and I believe they do. Please check the condition of your belts and wear shoulder harnesses too. I'm not so certain the face shield on a helmet will withstand a direct impact into a wheel. Additionally, I've gotten rocks in the face/eye on the street...closed face is what I'm buying.
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04-07-2008, 09:43 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Horseheads,
NY
Cobra Make, Engine: BDR, 392CI, 430HP
Posts: 60
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I have a large (7 5/8 - 7 3/4) RCI helmet I won't be needing as I got it to participate in the Audit driving school. I can't use my Cobra since it doesn't meet the broomstick rule on the roll bar. I used three times and my daughter used once. Would sell for half price if you are interested.
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04-07-2008, 10:29 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Gilroy,
CA
Cobra Make, Engine: West Coast Cobra w/ Centrifugally Blown Big Block, Pickles, Onions, on a Sesame Seed Bun.
Posts: 493
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Opinions on this helmet?
http://www.ioportracing.com/Merchant...tegory_Code=PH
I've not seen this particular helmet, but have been happy with the M versions of Pyrotect helmets. Anyone out there tried this one?
Edit....oops, that's the same as the above; I didn't realize.
Last edited by ByronRACE; 04-07-2008 at 02:25 PM..
Reason: boo boo
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04-07-2008, 11:35 AM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Glendale,
CA
Cobra Make, Engine: Backdraft #395 from Vintage Motorsports; Valley Ford Specialist 487 FE with a TKO600
Posts: 498
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ByronRACE
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Byron,
I have this helmet in white and like it alot. Very much like a Bell, infact I believe they are related.
Dinobyte
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04-07-2008, 02:13 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Ellington,
CT
Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadster 351W, T5, Red & White
Posts: 3,478
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The remaining 6 helmets that are critiqued in the Grassroots Motorsports article:
$279: G-Force Pro Force 1 Graphix
$359: Impact Racing Super Sport S/S
$399: Bell BR-1
$439: Simpson Super Voyager
$700: HUC Super Lite Si-12
$799: Arai GP-5W
Like the first 2, the above are all full face SA2005 rated
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04-08-2008, 05:50 AM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Ellington,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadster 351W, T5, Red & White
Posts: 3,478
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The 8 helmets mentioned in the Grassroots Motorsports article represent examples of the various price points, not implied that they are any better than other helmets. The reviews on each helmet mentions Shell, About, Comfort & Visibility, Quality & Details and Extras
Features are grouped: Weight, Comfort, Air, Style, Vision
Some of the article comments:
* Some helmets are specifically designed to help manage the wind buffering and lift experience by drivers of open cockpit cars
* Some helmets offer a larger wider eye port designed to specifically accommodate glasses
* Road course drivers may also prefer the wider eye port to enlarge their field of vision, since restraint systems can restrict lateral head motion
* Need for air intakes designed to keep sedan drivers cool and comfortable
* Pre-drilled attachment points for a head and neck support system
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04-08-2008, 09:09 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Cobra Make, Engine: SPF 2387, 427 W, Webers
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get an SA2005 you can use it longer!
Most sanctioning bodies will have a last model rule that allows the last model avaiable to be used in current comptition. The SA ratings are updated each 5 years and the 2010 models will not be available for about 3 years. They don't come out in the year that they are rated usually. Most companies will start selling SA 2010 helmets in 2011. If you get an SA 2005 it will be good for several years. If you get an SA 2000 it may be outdated (illegal) in only 3 years. You should replace a helmet each 5 years as the padding and nomex start to break down over time with sweat and use. You do want a helmet that fits snug and the recommendations to try them on in person are very good advise. You should also choose a light weight helmet it makes a difference over a long weekend and over time the fatigue is significant. You may want to consider the Carbon fiber or kevlar shell helmets for the weight savings. You can fit a HANS to about any new helmet as far as I have seen. You dont need to have the loops (you have to tap in a special attatchment for a HANS) I have done this myself so I know. It is not hard the HANS comes with very specific instructions and all the hardware you need. Some helmets may be HANS ready but it is not a huge advantage. I highly recommend using a HANS as well. Get used to it early on and it won't be a pain later adjusting your routine getting strapped into the car. I have been impressed with the construction of BELL, SIMPSON, and IMPACT helmets and they seem to be reasonably priced. Many other companies make awesome helmets as well. You can go to Helmetcity.com and see alot of SA rated helmets on their website. Good luck, and be safe!
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04-08-2008, 10:50 AM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Ellington,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadster 351W, T5, Red & White
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Have not seen any helmet endorsements by the professional drivers. With the cost of the helmet not a concern, wonder what make and model the drivers in NASCAR, IRL, F1, ALMS, etc., etc., wear ?
I believe Dale SR was one of the last drivers to adopt the full face helmet, which he said restricted his peripheral vision.
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04-09-2008, 06:56 AM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Ellington,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadster 351W, T5, Red & White
Posts: 3,478
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01yeirt:
Good comments that did not appear in the Grassroots Motorsports article. The Snell foundation web site:
http://www.smf.org/headsup/headsup40.html
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