Kirkham in Shelby Registry - Page 7

Hal Copple · #1 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 06:29 PM

Well, i wouldn't know, but if more "replica" Cobras are included in some part of the registry (which is as far as i know a private venture), then won't more expensive copies of the registry be sold, hence more money for the owners of SAAC?

If you put in the SPF cars, the KMP cars, then allow the thousands of FFR cars, just imagine the sales figures.

If i ran the registry, i would make every remotely Cobra connected automobile eligible. Then add the Mustang cars, and retire to Tuscany.

I am sure the Roman Centurians had the same feelings about their chariots.

all the best,

hal copple, in Sunny but dry Upstate SC

richsd · #2 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 05:48 PM

It has been some time since I have looked at this forum. When reading this thread, I was immediately reminded why I am not all that interested anymore. It seems that information can't be shared without a ridiculous amount of useless commentary. It was great to hear from Tom Kirkham last week that our cars will be going into the registry. When I saw this thread I thought maybe it would be an interesting discussion on the topic. Unfortunately many of the posts here seem to be written by 4th graders. It is just a bummer to have such good topics become so frustrating due to the childish comments. Okay, I have wasted enough time here. I will check back in a few months but I am sure there will be more of the same garbage.

Jamo · #3 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by richsd

It has been some time since I have looked at this forum. When reading this thread, I was immediately reminded why I am not all that interested anymore. It seems that information can't be shared without a ridiculous amount of useless commentary. It was great to hear from Tom Kirkham last week that our cars will be going into the registry. When I saw this thread I thought maybe it would be an interesting discussion on the topic. Unfortunately many of the posts here seem to be written by 4th graders. It is just a bummer to have such good topics become so frustrating due to the childish comments. Okay, I have wasted enough time here. I will check back in a few months but I am sure there will be more of the same garbage.

Well, you know what you can do...

Actually, this thread has not taken on any of the combative characteristics of threads past, but has rather been a bit of bantor amongst a group of friends who have thrown rocks in the past for no particular advancement of the human nature. You likely didn't catch onto that, and took much of what was said as serious in context.

Believe it or not, sometimes folks that have been around here for several years just like to have some fun instead of being at the ready for answering countless questions and providing info to others who see this as more of a google site which should adopt their own particular self-determined standards for their somewhat limited visits and do nothing but deliver answers to them in identical wrappers through the drive-through window. Believe it or not, there's a place to come in and sit down and relax and exchange views over a more pronounced visit...

See, some folks actaully enjoy the company of each other...the cars are simply a means to that end. When you start taking your car that seriously, you run the risk of taking yourself the same damn way.

But hey...to each his own.

richsd · #4 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamo

Actually, this thread has not taken on any of the combative characteristics of threads past, but has rather been a bit of bantor amongst a group of friends who have thrown rocks in the past for no particular advancement of the human nature. You likely didn't catch onto that, and took much of what was said as serious in context.

Sounds great. Enjoy the bantor. I think I will prefer to enjoy my car while the weather is still good. I will save my bantor for the winter when driving it is not possible.

Jim Maxwell · #5 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 08:27 PM

I had never really pondered the fact that AC Cars LTD made the body and chassis and interior and assembled all the other "outsourced" parts by Lucas and Smith and Stewart Warner, and Ceandess (fuel caps), and AMCO (windwings, visors, luggage racks), Wilmot-Breeden, Beclawat, Shelley jacks, BDS pliers and screwdrivers, Dunlop and Hallibrand wheels, Goodyear tires... etc. The whole darned thing is nothing but a bunch of "outsourced" parts.

The 289's I've seen don't have a single Shelby label anywhere, but most have a nifty little footbox tag that reads, "AC Cars" and fender emblems that read "Powered by Ford".
Shelby "opted" to have AC build the bodies and chassis? Instead of what? Building them in-house? They had absolutely no way of doing any of that, ever. It wasn't a matter of opting to let AC build them. There was no other choice. "Allowed" AC to build the rollers? Again, no other choice, I think. Did Shelby and/or Ford ever even consider building the cars in-house?
The majority of the components of almost every Cobra were assembled in England at AC , with most Cobras receiving the engines and transmissions and a few other bits at the Shelby plant at LAX.
Of course, Shelby and his crew created and designed the Cobras and contracted with AC to build the new cars (which were very closely based on the AC Ace for the 260/289 series), so... I guess you are absolutely correct. Shelby outsourced his design to AC for fabrication. Carroll Shelby can therefore be credited with being ahead of his time in one more area. He led the way for off-shoring the construction of "American" automobiles. He beat NAFTA by decades! Still doing it in some recent years with Polish made aluminum bodies, via Kirkham. I guess the point is that if a unique part comes through Shelby in some way, it validates it as genuine Shelby, and that makes sense. If you can buy exactly the same part from the outsourcing manufacturer through another vendor , then that isn't necessarily a Shelby part.

kris-kincaid · #6 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 10:36 PM

David, whats with the Spanish lesson? Were you a Spanish major or something??

BTW, I always thought Kemosabe means "Horses behind" ??

jdog · #7 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 10:56 PM

My wife just caught me wiping down her Grandfather's old shotgun!

jdog
P.S. "For Sale" , one CSX fiberglass body, some dis-assembly required!

Anybody know anything about antique clocks?

Jamo · #8 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 11:47 PM

So now Evan's got to be thinking: "...was Jamo expressing a term of endearment to me?"

...or was he telling me I'm a "no-nothing?"

...or was he calling me a horse's a$$?

...all of the above?

Hehehe...

Jamo · #9 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 11:49 PM

jdog...put the gun down. Arruminum ain't worth it, and you're gonna make a big mess.

Just walk into the yard tomorrow and go kick the biggest SOB square in the nuts. Your family can collect some hazard pay that way.

Oh...you were gonna sell it?

Excaliber · #10 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 02:13 PM

JBo, the list of Shelby modifications to the existing VERY weak AC Ace would fill a book. In fact, several have been written detailing the extensive modifications. And thats just the 289 version!

When it comes to the 427 it was 'frame up' modifications that resembled the original ACE only in the basic body lines.

These extensive mod's over a long period of time is what basically fuels the English vs USA debate on what part and how much the Cobra development was due to AC vs Shelby. Sure AC provided the fundamental chassis/body, which immediatly showed it's inherent weakness in virtually every area.

REAL 1 · #11 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 02:27 PM

Jay: No you silly boy. The originals are the "originals", but one day you never know....

Well JBo, as Oinie said SAI did make numerous mods and strengthing changes including suspension and running gear if I'm correct. Also if replacing the anemic 6 cylinder and its running gear and if making sufficient changes to turn the car into a world champion aren't enough mods for you then you apparently believe in the notion it is really an "AC Cobra" and AC deserves the lion share of the credit despite the fact that we know for a fact that if not for SAI, CS and his talented employees like Phil Remmington etc..the AC Ace would be nothing more then a footnote in the automotive history books. Anyone thinking otherwise is just plain wrong or a revisionist. But if you know better your free to keep enjoying your own reality

David Kirkham · #12 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 04:43 PM

Mi Estimado Kris,

Si senor! Y estoy muy orgulloso de el! Por que piensas que puedo hablar con los Polakos? El Polako es tan dificil de aprender, (o estoy un poco lento--no se cual) que tuve que empezar con un idioma que era un poco mas facil de hablar.

Dejaria el nombre "nalgas del caballo" para describir el senador de tu estimado estado.

David
AKA Pancho Villa

David Kirkham · #13 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 04:58 PM

Anthony,

We have made 50-55 of the 289 cars. I forget how many. Thomas probably knows--he always knows those sorts of things. We sold about 15-20 of those to Shelby--again, Thomas would know the exact number.

So, if you really want a REAL, rare, original, Shelby, continuation, recreation, made in Poland by Kemosabe (con su Tonto Presidente), Shelby allowed mod, kick in the nuts (that was for you, jdog), Las Vegas built, SAI modified, off-shore sourced, don't want to look like a horse's "nalgas", original CSX700? Shelby, better than an original, electric long-framed Frua, then the 289's are the ULTIMATE ones to choose... WOW! 1 of 15 or so. (sorry Evan.)

David

4pipes · #14 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 03:31 PM

Why do keep reading this bulls*t!?

Jamo · #15 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 4pipes

Why do keep reading this bulls*t!?

I at least have an excuse...I have to read it so at the last minute, just before thousands of folks from around the world are about to stomp Evan's a$$, I can close the thread. It's where the Sopranos got the idea for the last show.

kurtmart · #16 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 04:52 PM

How about this?
At the lasaac show on the santa Monica pier is this:

A COB car. One of the last AC chassis left after Shel cancelled the deal, sold to paramount pictures UK as a bare chassis. They turn it in to various movie cars. They then sell it in the seventies to somebody who shortens the frame (frame too long? prototype for the lenghtened coil over frame that became the Frua bodied AC428?)
Then in the 80's it gets a Brian Angliss body off the old AC bucks, is switched to Left hand drive and given a side oiler (most of the COB cars where delivered as small blocks) and a toploader.
Is this a "real" cobra? It was displayed with the originals, kit cars way far away.
I've got a headache.

KMP 216

A-Snake · #17 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kurtmart

How about this?
At the lasaac show on the santa Monica pier is this:

A COB car. One of the last AC chassis left after Shel cancelled the deal, sold to paramount pictures UK as a bare chassis. They turn it in to various movie cars. They then sell it in the seventies to somebody who shortens the frame (frame too long? prototype for the lenghtened coil over frame that became the Frua bodied AC428?)
Then in the 80's it gets a Brian Angliss body off the old AC bucks, is switched to Left hand drive and given a side oiler (most of the COB cars where delivered as small blocks) and a toploader.
Is this a "real" cobra? It was displayed with the originals, kit cars way far away.
I've got a headache.

KMP 216

If you are talking about COB6128 through COB6132, no these are NOT included in the count for original Cobras. These 5 chassis were 'created' for Paramount Film Service, Ltd. for use in a film "Those Daring Young Men in Their Jaunty Jalopies"

mrmustang · #18 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 05:45 PM

Evan,

Wait for your copy and dig in (it's going to be a lot bigger than the last few editions) as I do not need to stroke my ego (or anything else for that matter) in such a public manner as you do.

Enjoy the read.

Bill S.

REAL 1 · #19 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 07:50 PM

BillS:Well if you didn't want to stroke your ego in public (or anything else) then you wouldn't have bothered to announce your "attached" to Shelby's in the registry and you would not have your "attachments" published in the SAAC registry, a very public and widely published registry.

Convincing position.

Further, we just asked for the list of Shelbys your "attached" to thats going to be published (made public) anyway...right??? I don't have sufficient interest in you or the Shelby's your "attached" to to spend my time "looking" up what your "attached to" in the registry.

I also guess we should prohibit members here from posting or listing in their Avatars, photo gallaries and their signature lines any mention of the cars they have or signify those members who have originals by attachng the little Cobra emblem to their Avatar space. Seems like alot of "ego stroking" going on around here in public. However, seems like your ego stroking or stroking something else more often then not comes and always has come in the form of knocking what you don't have.

mr bruce · #20 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 08:06 PM

is this the same registry that's coming out in 2004? or 2014