rumor control--has SAAC lost its use of Shelby name?

[RACER X #99]

Originally Posted by computerworks

I'm not concerned about any of this as it relates to my GT-350. I know what is and where it came from...and I'm comfy with that.

In all fairness you 350 is a REAL Shelby

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by RACER X #99

In all fairness your 350 is a REAL Shelby

yes sir....and I don't find myself compelled to mention that, either.

[Durt]

'...write a book.'

Oh dear - voted off the island again. You kids have fun.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by Durt

'...write a book.'

Oh dear - voted off the island again. You kids have fun.

Not you! Hell, I'd take your rants into the throne room anytime.

[fsstnotch]

Originally Posted by RACER X #99

In all fairness you 350 is a REAL Shelby

And unfortunately will probably depreciate 25-40% over the next 5-10 yrs should CS gain full rights to the registry.

Durt, that was perfectly said!

As far as badges... My POS replica will be badgeless and for good reason. It will be what it is, a driveable replica of a car that I have dreamed about owning since I was probably 2 or 3 putting my hot wheels cobra and a strip of track and lettign it race down to teh wood floor. My uncle and I used to pick like 5 or 6 cars each and race them all down the track like a competition to see whos would go the farthest. My cobra with it's rubber tires always went the shortest but it was always my first car chosen because it was my favorite! Ahhh the memories! I would never, aside from the occasional joke I'm sure, lead anyone to believe that it is original or a real shelby. Sure the emblems complete the replication, but I want the car to be as much fun as possible with no turmoil. I don't want someone telling me several years down the road that I can't have badges on my cobra because some old grumpy man has too much money and wants to sue everyone for everything he can!

Hey, maybe for a $200 donation I can get a visor or a glove box door signed!

I love the car, not the man! I just hope for the owner/enthusiasts sake that SAAC is awarded to keep the registry.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by fsstnotch

And unfortunately will probably depreciate 25-40% over the next 5-10 yrs should CS gain full rights to the registry.

You bring up a very important and subtle point in all of this flurry.

It is my understanding that the original records of SAAC and all the data they have compiled internally and published in the form of the Registry is NOT what is being asked for in the recent lawyer letters.

What has been asked for is the return of all physical documents and records from the "old days" that were given to SAAC by Shelby.

...and the documentation ( not the originals) of the data on all Shelby vehicles that have been registered since 1996...the year Shelby Autos began making replica Cobras under their own name.

My point is: SA will not nullify the SAAC Registry past, present or future.
The Team Shelby plan will call for their own registry of the newgen stuff...and the classic stuff, if the owners want to send in their data. If no one does...that volume will be a thin book.

B-U-T nowhere is there the legalese to abscond with SAAC's Registry or the right to continue it.

As the pitchfork and torch mob runs with this stuff... it is really important to point this fine distinction out.

..and my personal opinion is that none of this will really affect present or future values of the classics. SAAC's data on the classic cars is impeccable.

[Wayne Maybury]

[quote=computerworks]
the year Shelby Autos began making replica Cobras under their own name.
QUOTE]

Sorry Ron but I have to ask, did you mean replica Cobras or REAL Cobras? This is so confusing. Aren't the replica Cobras really REAL Cobras????

Wayne

[Joe Wicked]

I think the reference to Shelby controlling the registry is in reference to his trademark application to SAAC as it relates to publishing books on automotive, among everything else listed. This really does look like he is trying to completely take over the SAAC registry. If he gets the trademark, then he can publish his version as the SAAC registry and SAAC must come up with a different name. To anyone who does not know that this is what is going on, will think that they are buying the latest version of the registry from the club when in reality they are not.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

I think the reference to Shelby controlling the registry is in reference to his trademark application to SAAC as it relates to publishing books on automotive, among everything else listed. This really does look like he is trying to completely take over the SAAC registry.

No, not really. The basis of the legal request is to prevent SAAC from using the name "SAAC" on their published book...not a request for the content.
...not because they want to steal the name, but because the "S-A" stands for Shelby American... which is the mark they are revoking the license for.

Hey...if they are good business people, they would buy the classic volumes of the registry from SAAC wholesale and slap their own cover on it.

Just like aluminum cars.... whoa... ...did I say that? ..sorry.

[rdorman]

That should be good for 10 more pages.....

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by computerworks

No, not really. The basis of the legal request is to prevent SAAC from using the name "SAAC" on their published book...not a request for the content.
...not because they want to steal the name, but because the "S-A" stands for Shelby American... which is the mark they are revoking the license for.

Hey...if they are good business people, they would buy the classic volumes of the registry from SAAC wholesale and slap their own cover on it.

Just like aluminum cars.... whoa... ...did I say that? ..sorry.

Hehehe....just wanted to replicate that statement.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by computerworks

No, not really. The basis of the legal request is to prevent SAAC from using the name "SAAC" on their published book...not a request for the content.
...not because they want to steal the name, but because the "S-A" stands for Shelby American... which is the mark they are revoking the license for.

Hey...if they are good business people, they would buy the classic volumes of the registry from SAAC wholesale and slap their own cover on it.

Just like aluminum cars.... whoa... ...did I say that? ..sorry.

You know it would not be that simple. They would probably want to edit some of that information first and maybe add a bit of color. Perhaps they could ship the books off to Mexico or South Africa for some cheap modifications and have the locals do some magic with white out, typewriters and some paint.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by computerworks

No, not really. The basis of the legal request is to prevent SAAC from using the name "SAAC" on their published book...not a request for the content.
...not because they want to steal the name, but because the "S-A" stands for Shelby American... which is the mark they are revoking the license for.

Hey...if they are good business people, they would buy the classic volumes of the registry from SAAC wholesale and slap their own cover on it.

Just like aluminum cars.... whoa... ...did I say that? ..sorry.

But S.A.A.C. could just change their name to SAAC, and forget about it standing for anything. Or maybe it stands for Serious Aluminum American Cars. Most people just call it SAAC anyway. With Shelby submitting a trademark application for SAAC (no abbreviations), that option would be eliminated as well. That is the part about this that looks vindictive.

Steve

[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by computerworks

No, not really. The basis of the legal request is to prevent SAAC from using the name "SAAC" on their published book...not a request for the content.
...not because they want to steal the name, but because the "S-A" stands for Shelby American... which is the mark they are revoking the license for.

Hey...if they are good business people, they would buy the classic volumes of the registry from SAAC wholesale and slap their own cover on it.

Just like aluminum cars.... whoa... ...did I say that? ..sorry.

Never really thought of it that way. I guess both are possible, but what you posted makes sense.

[427sharpe]

From Automotive News (Today)

Carroll Shelby says he is angry with the 33-year-old organization, which has been licensed by Shelby since 1996. He says Kopec and other club directors have excluded him from decisions on how the club is run and have not shared financial information.

"I'm tired of them," Shelby says. "I want the registrations and the records under my control. They've made a lot of money but never counted me in on anything. I don't want my legacy to go down under their thumbprints."

(**Italics are mine!

Shelby says he wants to bring the club in house. Kopec says he doesn't mind if Shelby wants to end the license and start his own club, but the group won't hand over registration information or comply with other demands.

"It came as a shock; we were blindsided" by the letter from Shelby, Kopec says. "We have put a lot of hard work into this club."

Kopec would not say how much income the for-profit club takes in. "The club pays for itself," he says. "There is no money left over."

He says revenue comes mostly from dues, which are $47 for the first year and $40 annually thereafter. The club also makes money from its annual convention.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by computerworks

No, not really. The basis of the legal request is to prevent SAAC from using the name "SAAC" on their published book...not a request for the content.
...not because they want to steal the name, but because the "S-A" stands for Shelby American... which is the mark they are revoking the license for.

Hey...if they are good business people, they would buy the classic volumes of the registry from SAAC wholesale and slap their own cover on it.

Just like aluminum cars.... whoa... ...did I say that? ..sorry.

Well, the "SA" stands for Shelby American, but didn't Shelby lose the "Shelby American" trademark to the company that got a controlling interest during the Series I mess and then that company went bankrupt. Thus the name change to "Shelby Automobiles" was necessary. I wonder who owns the "Shelby American" trademark now?