Shelby vs SAAC

[csx700?]

lets try to figure this out. back in the mid 90's shelby "finds" 50 incomplete 427 chassis, he decides to try and pull a fast one over on the cobra / car enthusiast public as a whole and complete these cars as "original" 60's cars, he got caught! he didn't decide to build these cars for the love of the car, it was the love of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ now imagine shelby having control over the authentication & history of the cars within the saac or any other type of registry. who would or could actually believe what is written in said registry? look at all the con-artist that are out there right now trying to pass this or that "fake" car off as a legit "original" and some have tried to buy ($) thier cars that authentication / history. i think that it's in the best interest of the car enthusiasts everywhere and of any manufacture to have a unbias group / club like saac in control of these records it may be the only way that people can posibly gurantee the the history / authenticity of the car they own, want to puchase, selling, etc...(IMHO & i have no affiliation with saac or any other club)

* by the way my car is a "REPLICA" of the "original" 60's cobras, it doesn't matter how many "original" 60's parts i use to build it, it's still a "REPLICA"! *

[Excaliber]

Can you imagine what his FAMILY or Employees will be tempted to do when it comes to 'fudging' a Vin code or two years from now. If the extreme values continue to grow the temptation will be significant.

[REAL 1]

Hey Ron, great idea! I love steel cage matches.

Xlor8: Uh, yeah. I read it. I wrote it. Maybe you should read it again if you don't get it.

I'll make this real easy for all those that don't get it. Please refer to www.SAAC.com or maybe pick up the Current Team Shelby magazine. They speak very clearly on the issue and their position is very clear. I merely echo their position.

As far as I'm concerned SAAC and Team Shelby/SAI are the only real authorities on the issue. Its settled as far as I'm concerned. For those that don't agree, thats fine. You can continue the mental masturbation as to whehter the Continuation series is a "replica" or a "reproduction" or whether "genuine" is the same as "real" etc..Its a free country so continue on then.... but the facts and authority make it very clear. The CSX is legitmately a REAL Cobra newly manufactured by Shelby American who built and created the original series. I also find it rather coincidental that nearly every guy who wants to dump the Continuation series in the "replica" bin doesn't own a CSX. Hmmm. Interesting ain't it? Wonder why that is in most cases.

I'm sure that alot of non CSX owners would love to write a little mandatory script for CSX owners to recite when we are asked if our cars are "real" which I'm sure would include the word "replica" or "reproduction" in the description. However, unfortunately for them when someone asks if my car is "REAL" my answer is always as noted above..."Yes sir it is, its a new Continuation series Shelby Cobra". Its accurate, truthful and clear. And if you like that you'll love this...when asked if my car is a "replica" my answer is always "no". Why? Because its not. You guys can answer any way you would like about your car. I'll answer any way I'd like about mine, thank you very much. Did I say its a free country?

Thank you very much. I'm off to "crap" up another thread now...

[What'saCobra?]

With regard only to Shelby Cobras, would it be helpful to answer the question, "Is that a Cobra?", with... "Yep, but it is a new Shelby Cobra."

"The old ones were made in the early to middle sixties, but this is a new one, with some nice improvements (OR, if so, "It is made exactly like the old ones")." Etc.

Refering to them as old or new seems more simple and practical an answer. Anyway, it is what i do and people seem to understand right away. Nor would i be stretching the truth in any meaningful way.

Ps: Don't forget, Shelby isn't the only company/person that made either original cobras or "continuation" Cobras; according to both SAAC, FORD and Shelby, AC Cars Limited also made Cobras, just not Shelby Cobras.

Remember too that "all" 289 Cobras were called AC Cobras, NOT Shelby Cobras, though many many US States registered them many different ways, even as FORD 2 door roadsters.

Quite different than Shelby and FORD, AC Cars Limited continued building AC Cobras of various types and specifications for many years, long after the others stopped. They were made the same way, by mostly the same people, on the same equipment, mostly at the same factory (until the new one) and mostly with the same small dimentional errors and variances as the old ones. But, with better paint jobs.

[Allan A]

Hi my name is Allan, I have a cobra, it is was not built in 1960's, no it is was not built in Poland, no it does not have a 427 side oiler. Yes, I belong to SAAC. Yes I can drive with the Vintage group, Yes I like your wife, Yes, I like to drink with other Ford friends except CSX 700?

[JWheaton]

At one time or another all of us get the question, "is it a real?".

99% of us, I have to believe, give the best answer possible. 99% of the people looking at the car probably say something like -- "damn - that is a cool car".

99% of the people visiting at the majority of car shows could give a rats a$$ if it is real, fake, original, replica, reproduction, or continuation. HOWEVER, 99% of the people know flatulation when they hear it coming back.

People will stop, admire, talk and enjoy a car more if they enjoy the whole interactive experience.

Who THE PHUCK cares. Let SAAC and Shelby have at it. Enjoy your friggin cars for what they are -- Loud, fast, smelly, gas guzzling, grin making, 4 wheels of fun. That applies to the CSX 4000 series as well as all replicas. Any Cobra looking car made after '70 are meant for driving.

[Naumoff]

Originally Posted by JWheaton

At one time or another all of us get the question, "is it a real?".

99% of us, I have to believe, give the best answer possible. 99% of the people looking at the car probably say something like -- "damn - that is a cool car".

99% of the people visiting at the majority of car shows could give a rats a$$ if it is real, fake, original, replica, reproduction, or continuation. HOWEVER, 99% of the people know flatulation when they hear it coming back.

People will stop, admire, talk and enjoy a car more if they enjoy the whole interactive experience.

Who THE PHUCK cares. Let SAAC and Shelby have at it. Enjoy your friggin cars for what they are -- Loud, fast, smelly, gas guzzling, grin making, 4 wheels of fun. That applies to the CSX 4000 series as well as all replicas. Any Cobra looking car made after '70 are meant for driving.

People that go to car shows only want to see bling.

I built a Cobra replica for me to enjoy.
An original would be to hard to enjoy because of the worry factor.
I love making milk runs in my load two seater roadster.

All this BS is is not fun.

Evan is so easy to bait and you guys should be ashamed.

Now Jamie go find Chaplins parts to his car you lost so he can be smiling again.

[John McMahon]

WANTED: Senior moderator for Team Shelby website. Must be able to crap on any non Shelby discussions in the blink of a butthole. Must be able to reinvent history and ignore the total chaos in the automotive communities over any pending legal issues.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Allan A

Hi my name is Allan, I have a cobra, it is was not built in 1960's, no it is was not built in Poland, no it does not have a 427 side oiler. Yes, I belong to SAAC. Yes I can drive with the Vintage group, Yes I like your wife, Yes, I like to drink with other Ford friends except CSX 700?

Sounds more like a confession

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by What'saCobra?

With regard only to Shelby Cobras, would it be helpful to answer the question, "Is that a Cobra?", with... "Yep, but it is a new Shelby Cobra."

"The old ones were made in the early to middle sixties, but this is a new one, with some nice improvements (OR, if so, "It is made exactly like the old ones")." Etc.

Refering to them as old or new seems more simple and practical an answer. Anyway, it is what i do and people seem to understand right away. Nor would i be stretching the truth in any meaningful way.

I would agree What'sa has a good suggestion. The "new" Shelby Cobras are not 1965, '66, or '67 cars. They are 2002, 2003 etc. cars built to look like the cars of the '60's

[csx700?]

Allan A
It's ok allan, you weren't invited! You forgot to mention your "CSX REPLICA" was built by Nevada State Pen. internies........

[RodKnock]

I love these threads, almost like a train wreck, but much better. No one really gets hurt, at least physically. Eventually someone always bangs cars made in Poland, or it's Las Vegas versus Mexico versus South Africa, early versus late, CSX versus SPF versus Kirkham. Somehow ERA's and FFR's get involved too.

There's gotta be an over/under on these discussions every year.if not, there should be. Has anyone ever changed their mind?

[thudmaster]

I have a friend who just bought a new shelby 500........I call it a replica.

[xlr8or]

Evan I don't need to read it again. It's obvious to everyone but you that you have stuck your foot in your mouth.

Whatsa and A-Snake have a good suggestion for an appropriate response for any CSX4K owner that's not a self absorbed weenie.

You should try it sometime and maybe people would have a better impression of you.

[Johan]

Evan, you are "overcompensating" again! Remember what your "shrink" said. Oops, pardon the pun.
I'm going to that party at Shelby American Collection tonight. Think this topic (SAAC / Shelby ) will be discussed ? I bet so.

[imagine2frolic]

REAL 1
Some guys (not me) get satisfaction out of knocking what others have. There will always be guys like that unfortunately. We know who they are. Those guys need to tell Team Shelby that their first magazine contains a number of mistakes like the article referring the the Continuation Series as the "REAL" deal and their ads referring the them as such and that such statements are "elitist".

Maybe if you were nice I might have even let you take 4206 on the back straight at Watkins Glenn or take her for a spin since you live close by but you haven't been very nice soooo ...forget it!

Being that you only have 200 some posts I'll inform you this topic as been here long before you got here and will likely be here for a long time to come.

COMPUTERWORKS
Saying that a CSX4000 car is "a real Cobra" to an unsuspecting tourist in conversation is simply a boldface lie. We all know what they infer from that statement. Adding an asterisk-explanation about some rebirth 40 years later is just sort of back-pedaling.


ME
As far as not being elitist. Then what is the statement that since you only have 200 post a person isnot really qualified to make an observation?

ME
I am not going to look up the post where you said to me.....YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A CAR! In return several people remarked onn that statement.

I would think they way Mr. Kirkham pointed out your behaviour would be enough to get you off this dead horse.

If I was fortunate enough to own your car. I would reply to people that it is a replica made by the same man that made the originals, Carroll Shelby. Your desperation to cling onto the shirt tails of those fortunate enough to own originals is pathetic.

One last remark for myself, because you are an elitist. If the car was my passion, and not sailing. I could easily cash out on my boat, and buy an original. It is just not my passion to own one.

REAL 1, You seem to be a fortunate person. Get off of the pecking order, and enjoy your good fortunes. I think Jamo said it best when he said to you....YOU JUST DON'T GET IT, IT'S NOT THE CAR IT'S YOU!

[What'saCobra?]

Mr. MC Mahon, you are a very funny man. ilmao at your creative and so a' propos artwork.

Dr. Rick, i don't see why he should be ashamed of a nice name like Allen.

We all have our crosses to bear. Carroll is no different. But, he hasn't yet learned to suffer in silence. It might help, of course, if he stopped building his crosses with pissoir-poor performance partners and studied indifference to their poor performance until they crash. It might even further help to pay the high performance partners according to contractual agreements.

[imagine2frolic]

REAL 1

Since you rely on SAAC to verify your claim. Notice my current avatar....YEP THAT'S ME, and guess what I own there all shiny, and red. According to SAAC it is a REAL 1......best wishes to you

[RACER X #99]

If you think McMahon is funny in print just wait till next years convention and you can experience him in person. He should have been on the Tonight Show a long time ago.

[REAL 1]

Xlor8: Its obvious to me you like to twist things but I do like the "self absorbed weenie" characterazation for CSX owners that don't fall into line with what you think is a good suggestion. They call me elitist?

Johan: You mean they discuss this topic at the Shelby Collection too!

Imaginetofrolic: You sir are too lost for me to even comment on.

If you guys are still confused as to what I've been saying (which is the same thing Powersurge has said) please refer to www.SAAC.com . Its all there. Just read slowly or maybe out loud. It may help with comprehension.

Yawn.