Pick your side

[amy B]

Originally Posted by John McMahon

Wow...this is a first, I agree with most of what Sal said! We have made progress!

Personally, I have always been an enthusiast, guys and cars, car and guys. I tried my darndest to be an organized group back when I had my first Cobra. Since then, we've done the same thing with our wannabee racing, its about having fun.

But throughout, there was always an uneasiness with Carroll Shelby, but I (we?) let him slide because he was...well, Carroll Shelby, the legend. I still remeber catching him and his cronies using SAAC 25 for his personal gain. This was when he was bringing a lawsuit against ERA and he directed his henchmen to take pictures of all the ERAs in Sunday's car show that were using Shelby Cobra emblems on thier Cobras. He was gathering evidence for his impending suit. On that day, a bit of me died and I lost a lot of respect for the man.

So for the latest development against SAAC, I have lost all respect for him. Quite honestly, I do not think he is corrdinating this effort, but I think others in the organization are helping quite a bit (right Amy?). I find it hard to beleive that she was unaware (as she claimed) that this lawsuit was taking shape some time back. But that is just my opinion.

While never a true believer of how SAAC was run, I appreciate and admire all the work that has gone into this club, their devotion is second to none in my mind.

As we move forward, I see two entities evolving, Team Shelby for the new crew of late models.....

... and SAAC, for those who continue to honor the memories and importance in the automotive field, of not just the cars, but the legend of ALL THE PEOPLE involved in making these great cars so important.

John, Your right, I knew there were issues the day I came on. I spoke to the SAAC owners at VIR and told them Carroll was upset. He hadn't gone to a convention in years. I told them he wanted changes, One of the owners in front of others said " we don't need Carroll Shelby" Did I know there were big issues yes, did I see the legal letter before it went out, no.

We at SAI, had always thought we would support what we built, there was never an intention for us not to support the new and keep the registry of the new. That was the plan from 2005. I have always said we welcome the old. There is a difference between the registry and the club. The team shelby club is for all enthusiasts, Our registry was started with the intent of supporting the new.

This issue between licensing and Carroll is just that. There are letters posted on the licensing site welcoming them to 2007. Where did it go wrong? A court will now decide.

There is much I can not say due to this legal issue, and my position. I will not have others post it all over the sites either. I will say this, they filed 3 days before CSl last week. They filed to keep his names and marks. That is public and the filing is on the Shelbyforums.com site. They don't say that in the posts above.

My job and this companies job is to build the company and to support the buyers of our products and to support all shelby enthusiasts. It is also to secure and keep Carroll's Legacy. The events we do can be called marketing, but there are different layers of marketing, we spent a lot on this last event to make it the best, for everyone to have a great time, it wasn't meant to replace any club, we support clubs all over this country and elsewhere, it was a way to give back for all those who supported us and waited 3+ years to get their cars and help us through the rebuild. We should as the company give more then a club, we should give back, that is a good company.

I am the company person, I expect I will never be considered the friend , but I am a car girl, I ANSWER EMAILS AND POSTS IN THE NIGHT. REGULAR COMPANY PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT. I have the passion and have had it long before coming to Shelby. I think that trait makes me better to serve the enthusiasts of our products, then a regular company marketing person. Gary Davis who build cars, Gary Patterson who has been a ford guy since High School all have the passion. We can do it better then those at SAI before us as a company.We never intented to replace any fan site or true enthusiats sites.

The SAAC club is a for profit business that has an issue with CSL and CSL has an issue with it. SAAC can continue to make me the bad guy, I am an easier target but Carroll is Carroll Shelby, he will not be ignored. He is mad. He has the history.


Amy

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by amy B

My job and this companies job is to build the company and to support the buyers of our products and to support all shelby enthusiasts. It is also to secure and keep Carroll's Legacy. The events we do can be called marketing, but there are different layers of marketing, we spent a lot on this last event
Amy

Amy,

This alone speaks for where the current mindset.

As for Carroll, again, I admire than man for what he accomplished in his distant past, I loath him for what he has become in the present. My thoughts are not just my own, but shared by thousands of others, both SAAC and non SAAC members alike. When this is finally put to rest one way or the other, the reputation of SAI and the the way Carroll is remember will be tainted forever. It's not only personal to many of us who grew up thinking Carroll was a saint, but learned later that he was anything but, but it's business as well. I know you'll come back with something along the lines of "the future of our company is at stake", but is it really someone else's fault, or the fault of your current legal advisory board which is leading you down a path to your own destruction. Legacies are a double edged sword, which one does Carroll want to be remembered by?


Bill S.

PS: Since you are indeed reading these threads as I expected, I hereby give you written notice by this date and time stamped post that all information submitted to SAAC by myself is being held in trust by them for their use only. I do not now, nor will I ever give S.A.I. or C.S.L. or any entity controlled by either or permission to use that information regardless of what the outcome of both lawsuits may be.

[427sharpe]

The thing that riles me more than anything else is remembering how many times I defended C$ over all the years! When he lied about the S/C's, I defended him....just good salesmanship! When the Series 1 debacle drug out for years I defended him, even while he tried to cheat on paid contracts and retainer deposits. Even as I watched C$ makes money while our stock tanked. THAT defense is what chaps my arse the most!
Sooner or later, I guess the koolaid runs out of every cup.

[jdog]

Once, years ago, I had a a convict at Folsom Prison (I'm an employee) tell me he only hoped to live long enough to "piss on my grave"!

He returned later to say "Nevermind about pissing on your grave. After spending all of these years in prison, I swore I'd never stand in line again!"

Line forms to the right, "No fighting"!

jdog

[VE4MM]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Amy,

This alone speaks for where the current mindset.

As for Carroll, again, I admire than man for what he accomplished in his distant past, I loath him for what he has become in the present. My thoughts are not just my own, but shared by thousands of others, both SAAC and non SAAC members alike. When this is finally put to rest one way or the other, the reputation of SAI and the the way Carroll is remember will be tainted forever. It's not only personal to many of us who grew up thinking Carroll was a saint, but learned later that he was anything but, but it's business as well. I know you'll come back with something along the lines of "the future of our company is at stake", but is it really someone else's fault, or the fault of your current legal advisory board which is leading you down a path to your own destruction. Legacies are a double edged sword, which one does Carroll want to be remembered by?


Bill S.

PS: Since you are indeed reading these threads as I expected, I hereby give you written notice by this date and time stamped post that all information submitted to SAAC by myself is being held in trust by them for their use only. I do not now, nor will I ever give S.A.I. or C.S.L. or any entity controlled by either or permission to use that information regardless of what the outcome of both lawsuits may be.

Hey Bill; can you email me the pdf of the most recent lawsuit?

Thanks!

Mike

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[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by VE4MM

Hey Bill; can you email me the pdf of the most recent lawsuit?

Thanks!

Mike

Feel free to PM me with an email address, but afterwards you must pass it on to the next person who asks for it

[JohnWorthing848]

There have been many comments made about what CS is "saying and doing", have there been any statements from CS personally other than the filing and the response to SAAC? Both were posted on the SAAC website to their credit.

As far as what he is doing or has done, there are of course well documented actions, but alot more of what seem to be opinions and stories. Like many of us out here I want to deal with factual information absent angry commentary and in many cases juvenille ranting.

Unless there are statements from CS that I have not seen he does seem to be a very wise man in this regard, he is following his attorneys advice. That being "SHUT UP"!

John