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Old 03-14-2008, 02:20 PM
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I know I've ranted about this before, but $4 and $5 and $10 gasoline are merely steps on the way to the Hubbert Peak which rushes headlong towards us. Liberals or conservatives are IRRELEVANT and building more refineries and drilling for our own oil MIGHT delay the inevitable for perhaps 5 years.

Until ANY politician (and they are all essentially unscientific imbeciles) realizes what a DEEP f***ing hole we are in and the world seriously starts to look for TRUE alternate energies (not net-negative propaganda like bio ethanol!!!) then the predictions of a 100 year 'industrial age' (it supposedly started in 1930) are incredibly accurate! Start raising horses, because we are all going back to them!

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Here is an example of the problems faced by oil companies. This was an article in an east bay newspaper. Chevron wants to upgrade the refinery in Richmond and here is the response by some of the local folks.

Community groups aim to shut down Chevron Corp.'s Richmond refinery for a day at a protest scheduled for March 15.

The groups Greenaction, West County Toxics Coalition, Amazon Watch, Richmond Progressive Alliance, Richmond Greens, Community Health Initiative, Communities for a Better Environment, Global Exchange, and Rainforest Action Network are organizing the protest ahead of a March 20 meeting of the Richmond Planning Commission, at which the commission will consider and could possibly approve a big upgrade Chevron is planning for the refinery.

The groups are encouraging people to assemble at the refinery by boat and by bicycle; shuttles will also take people to the refinery from the Richmond BART station and from Point Richmond. The purpose of the the protest is to shut the refinery down for one day and to support community efforts to stop Chevron from its project.
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Old 03-14-2008, 09:56 PM
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I can't say if there is any real solution, to the demand for fuel and the high prices we are paying at the pumps. They say we are heading for a recession, and why is this? Gas sales are down 4 or 5 percent, but prices keep on going up. Exxon/Mobil have hit record profits and they keep climbing. Wages are staying the same for most people. There is a small Tax relief coming to put extra money back in the economy. What good is this going to do? It might buy a guy a new TV from Wall Mart and Wall Mart could really use the extra income. Food prices are also climbing, Freight has sky-rocketed with fuel surcharges passed down to the merchants, who increase their price to meet the demand of high fuel cost. Yesterday I received a statement from the Culligan Man (who delivers water) that they will be charging 2 additional dollars each stop they make, even if you don't purchase their water. We might think we have it bad, but I am still glad I live in America, where we can follow our dreams, where we can contribute to building a better community, where we can complain about things than matter to us, and try to find a solution to our problems. My problem is I want to build the fastest car in my town and still have fuel to run it. I am not ready to raise Horses or go back to the 1800's. Although we might breath cleaner air and Al Gore might win another Nobel Peace Prize. Tomorrow is another day and the sun will rise, God is still in charge and we will find a solution to our energy problems. Thanks to all who keep Club Cobra up and running. It's nice to have a sight, where there are some very bright minds and car crazy people, who can express their opinion's in a non biased way.

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Neil,

Gasoline use has actually been about flat from last year. Here is the last report for the month ending March 7. This is from the weekly government report on oil and gasoline inventory and prices.

"Demand for gasoline over the four weeks ended March 7 was 0.4 percent higher than a year earlier, averaging nearly 9.1 million barrels a day."

So even at these high prices gasoline use in the US is slightly higher than a year earlier. I have been watching this for quite some time and have been surprised that the use hasn't gone down.
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