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RodKnock 06-04-2008 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 848476)
One thing for sure...if its not a Shelby its NOT a Cobra but a car that looks like a Cobra. End game. (Limited exceptions as to some ACs).
As I said above, that's your opinion and it maybe SAAC's, but it isn't mine. My Kirkham is Cobra. Tough, that's my opinion.

patrickt 06-04-2008 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 848480)
As I said above, that's your opinion and it maybe SAAC's, but it isn't mine. My Kirkham is Cobra. Tough, that's my opinion.
If you've got any guts at all, you'll meet Real 1 behind the playground after school and settle this once and for all....:rolleyes:

Power Surge 06-04-2008 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nedsel (Post 848467)
The simple fact is that anything built to replicate something from years gone by is, well, a replica. Much as I like the new line of CSX cars, they are NOT a "1965 427 Cobra S/C." They are a replica of a 1965 427 Cobra S/C. Are they a genuine Shelby Cobra? Of course.

Is this really tough to grasp?
Not at all. That's it in a nutshell. I agree 100%. My car is a replica of an original car. AND, it's a real Shelby Cobra.

But just as members here point out what's being asked when people ask if it's a "real" Cobra, the same can be said for what are people asking when they ask if it's a replica, or kit car.

If they are asking if it's a replica or a kit car, they are asking if it's another brand of Cobra. And it's not. It's a Shelby. So when people ask if it's a replica, no, it's not. It IS a replica in the written definition of the word, but it's not a replica when it's being asked, because we know what people are asking.

And don't try to argue this, because this is the SAME arguement that is put forth by the nay-sayers when people ask if it's a real Cobra. Yes, 99% of them are asking if it's a 60s car, because they don't know any different. It IS a real Shelby Cobra by written definition, but not in the sense of what's being asked.

So what does all this translate to? In written definition form, it's exactly what Ned wrote above. In reality (car show questions), you MUST answer both questions with a footnote to be truthful. If asked if my car is a real Shelby, I answer "yes, it's a real Shelby, but not an original 60s car". If they ask to explain, I am happy to. If they ask if it's a replica, I say "no, it's a real Shelby". If they ask to explain, I am happy to.

Unfortunately for Evan, other CSX owners, and all the CSX nay-sayers, you can argue until you are blue in the face, but the fact is that there IS a cut and dry written definition on what the car is, and there IS NOT a cut and dry definition when being asked in person. There must always be a footnote attached to answer each question truthfully.

That's my 2 cents on a very worn out subject.

mrmustang 06-04-2008 01:38 PM
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Sal,

When you state "My car is a replica of an original car. AND, it's a real Shelby Cobra", not only do I agree with this 100%, but can honestly say you are one of a select few CSX4000 series owners who gets it.

Bill S.

patrickt 06-04-2008 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 848492)
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No, give in to temptation... It feels so good. Go on, give in, you'll be glad you did.:MECOOL:

saltytri 06-04-2008 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 848476)

What does "years later mean"? You say 1997. But after 1962 why can't we say those Cobras made years later in 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968 are replicas of the originals made in 1962 (CSX2000) and the first 3000 series?
That is an embarrassingly lame argument. Real, you're Really sounding like a devious lawyer or, heaven forbid, Hillary Clinton doing her pathetically transparent spinning routine. :LOL:

Everyone who has at least a couple of brain cells rubbing together knows that Real Cobras were made in a more-or-less continuous production run from 1962 to 1967. Unless it was spit out by Shelby in those years, it's a fake, notwithstanding the efforts of a small group of stubborn people who seek financial gain and/or a much-needed ego boost by contending otherwise (again, certain leeway is reasonably allowed for a very small number of AC cars produced close in time to the relevant period).

Power Surge 06-04-2008 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 848492)

Sal,

When you state "My car is a replica of an original car. AND, it's a real Shelby Cobra", not only do I agree with this 100%, but can honestly say you are one of a select few CSX4000 series owners who gets it.

Bill S.
I am glad to hear that, because I really don't try to come off as an ass about it. I know what my car is, and that's important to ME. I like my car for what it is, and that's why I own it. I respect other people for the cars they own, and I do NOT feel that I am better than anyone, or that my car is better than anyone else's, just because it's a CSX. It's the car I wanted and I just would like people to show the same respect that I do towards them. I have owned both an FFR and a Kirkham, which is about as extreme to both ends of the replica market as you can get. I worked my way to the CSX because it's the car I really wanted. Along the way, I learned a lot from both companies and have a great respect for all brands and owners.

Nedsel 06-04-2008 01:55 PM
It's nice to know so many people DO get it. There will always be those who do not.

REAL 1 06-04-2008 02:02 PM
Yup. I agree with Sal. The Continuations by definition are replicas of the original series. Never disputed that fact, BUT as Sal pointed out when asked if a Continuation series is a "replica" in the normal usuage and understanding of the word IT IS NOT SINCE IT IS NOT A REPLICA OF A COBRA BECAUSE...AND READ SLOOOWLLLY HERE...IT IS A COBRA!

Some here just read and see what they want to see.

Saltytri: You are clearly lost and didn't follow what was being said and intended in the retorical argument between Ned and myself. Its also clear you don't own a Shelby. Your position is typical and unfortunately predictable for many non Shelby owners. :LOL:

Oh, I get it alright. More then you think. Moreover, its right there in black and white on the SAAC site.

As far as respect goes, I have no respect for others here who put down what I own and state that I misrepresent what I own because they don't agree the fact the Continuation series is a real Cobra not a "look a like" which they in fact own. You want respect. Give respect. Otherwise Ki$$ My A$$. :LOL:

I prefer to call a spade a spade and have no interest in false friendships built on the requirement I knock my own car.

If I come off as an a$$.. oh, well, I don't see the Continuation series detractors concerned about the fact that I and other CSX owners see them as coming off as a$$e$...so ask me if a care.:LOL:

Naumoff 06-04-2008 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 848449)
Yes the dictionary definition of replica is interesting.

So I guess CSX 2001 was a "replica" of 2000 etc...

This means that the only originals not "replicas" are the first of each series.

But we all know what the average guy is asking when he asks "is that a replica" i.e. is it Real or original.

Continuation series is a real/geniune Cobra but not of the original series. Not rocket science here guys.

Mr. Celby still hasn't provided us the definitional difference of words "real" and "genuine" nor explained why SAAC says the only difference in the original series and the continuation is time frame of maufacture. Hmmm. Wonder why Mr. Celby has stumbled here.

Also, Mr. Celby please stop trying to replicate your user name as a spin off of Carroll Shelby. Your trying to "replicate" a name thats not really yours. Thats disingenuious. :LOL:

Also, Mr. Celby if you have a Cobra look a like and this goes for all the rest of you that don't own a Shelby that take exception to Continuation owners telling the average Joe that we have real Cobras you should stop telling the average Joe when the ask what your car is that they are "Cobras". There not. There "Cobra look a likes". If they want to see a Cobra you can send them my way, I have one. Otherwise you're being disingenuous.

Anyway. Its all there on the SAAC web site boys. Those that can read and understand english should get it, those who can't won't, many however who do understand english but really want a Shelby but can't get one will nevertheless continue with their specious arguments in trying to convince themselves the Continuation series is not real i.e. fake, a replica, a kit etc....whatever it takes to make themselves feel better. Knock yourselves out. :LOL:

Same ol' same ol' at ol' CC :rolleyes:

Glad theres none of this petty sour grapes crap on the FGT forum. :LOL:

Enjoy.
From what I hear you never drive yours anywhere so when do you ever have to answer the question "Is it a real one"?:LOL:

Got the Bug 06-04-2008 02:25 PM
Seeing the signs of supernova thread forming. :LOL:

REAL 1 06-04-2008 02:25 PM
Naumoff: Only idiots rely on hearsay to base judgments on. :LOL:

You're more then welcome to drop on by and look at the odo on the old girl yourself and draw your own conclusion.

RodKnock 06-04-2008 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 848484)
If you've got any guts at all, you'll meet Real 1 behind the playground after school and settle this once and for all....:rolleyes:
In the end we all die. Does any of this nonsense really matter? I'm glad they don't have these arguments with Porsches and Corvettes. Oops, they do. :LOL:

Naumoff 06-04-2008 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 848524)
Naumoff: Only idiots rely on hearsay to base judgments on. :LOL:

You're more then welcome to drop on by and look at the odo on the old girl yourself and draw your own conclusion.
I have been called worse. But I did think it was funny.:LOL:
Are you driving out to the Cobra Revolution this Saturday?

Oh yeah, Putting her up on jack stands and acting like your driving down the road doesn't count for real driving.:LOL:

saltytri 06-04-2008 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 848507)

Saltytri: You are clearly lost and didn't follow what was being said and intended in the retorical argument between Ned and myself. Its also clear you don't own a Shelby. Your position is typical and unfortunately predictable for many non Shelby owners. :LOL:
"Not all who wander are lost." ;)

And heaven forbid that I would own a latter day Shelby. I'd much rather own a Latter Day Kirkham (with all due apologies to my good friend, David K.) :LOL::LOL::LOL:

Got the Bug 06-04-2008 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 848526)
In the end we all die. Does any of this nonsense really matter?
...and in the end, your Shelby CSX kit car Cobra replica is sold or passed down to your heirs. :LOL:

A-Snake 06-04-2008 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 848507)
You are clearly lost and didn't follow what was being said and intended in the retorical argument between Ned and myself.
Maybe I'm wrong but this sure sounds like you are talking to yourself. :confused:

RodKnock 06-04-2008 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Got the Bug (Post 848534)
...and in the end, your Shelby CSX kit car Cobra replica is sold or passed down to your heirs. :LOL:
Doug, when I see your car going down the road next to me, I'll look over to my passenger and say "There goes a really nice MK III."

And then you'll say to your passenger, "hey, nice Kirkham next to us."

If we see a CSX traveling with us, then we'll both say "There's a Shelby Cobra" and our passengers will each ask us "they look similar, nay replicas, why are they called different names?" We'll answer because Shelby sued everyone for the right to call his car a Cobra."

Sharroll Celby 06-04-2008 03:49 PM
(I could have swore I have written this before)

When people ask "Is it Real?", they are asking if it is an original car, built in the '60s, and currently worth more than $600,000. To answer THAT question truthfully, the answer MUST be "No...recently made by Shelby...genuine...Cobra."

THAT is the question they are asking. They are NOT asking if the Cobra was built by Shelby, and if those Cobras were indeed built by Shelby, they are indeed genuine Shelbys.

NO ONE here is disparaging CSX 4xxx, 7xxx, or 8xxx Cobras. They are fine automobiles.

Okay, Real1, let's say you witnessed a hit-and-run accident, and the perpetrator drove off in a Cobra. Would you tell the police "Uh, um, I dont know WHAT kind of car in was. I have a genuine Cobra, but I cant prove that the Cobra that drove off was a genuine Cobra, so I am not smart enough to give you information to catch the perp." ?

I hope you get it now.

David Kirkham 06-04-2008 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by saltytri (Post 848533)
"Not all who wander are lost." ;)

And heaven forbid that I would own a latter day Shelby. I'd much rather own a Latter Day Kirkham (with all due apologies to my good friend, David K.) :LOL::LOL::LOL:
NO apologies needed! I'd hate to see you on the other side of the table!

David
:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:


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