Continuation CSX a "Kit car"?

[Jamo]

and so it goes...

[HI Cobra]

Have we heard this before?

[Naumoff]

Originally Posted by Sharroll Celby

But HOW will you answer the "Is it Real?" question!!! lol !!!

Originally Posted by Sharroll Celby

A GENUINE replica.

I can live with that!

Works for me.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by HI Cobra

Have we heard this before?

Original, real, replica, continuation, clone, I do not believe this subject has ever been discussed here before. Must be your imagination

[Nedsel]

Yeah, and I want to know more about this "In The Sack" registry. Maybe I can find out what some of my old girlfriends are up to.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Yeah, and I want to know more about this "In The Sack" registry. Maybe I can find out what some of my old girlfriends are up to.

Ned,

Are you sure you want to know?

You probably remember them all like this:


When in reality they now look like this

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Ned,

Are you sure you want to know?

When in reality they now look like this...

... and can be easily found in the mandatory CDC registry and tracking system.

[Nedsel]

Thanks a lot. You have totally spoiled my dreams. Oh... on second thought, never mind. It appears that has been the theme of this thread almost from the start.

[patrickt]

Bill and I are both here for you Ned, and just looking out for ya....

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Bill and I are both here for you Ned, and just looking out for ya....

Absolutely

[Wayne Maybury]

I want to know why no one has starting passing around the popcorn yet.

Wayne

[Naumoff]

Originally Posted by Wayne Maybury

I want to know why no one has starting passing around the popcorn yet.

Wayne

Because we are all adults and can discuss this subject in a civilized manner.
There is no reason to get all heated up about it.
And if anyone can't then they are like this guy,

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Wayne Maybury

I want to know why no one has starting passing around the popcorn yet.

Wayne

We're all getting older and popcorn has too much salt and butter. That's why.

[Nedsel]

Well, let's just say that at least most of us here are civilized. That presidential-looking guy in the suit, licking his cigar, I'm not all that sure about.

[REAL 1]

Yes the dictionary definition of replica is interesting.

So I guess CSX 2001 was a "replica" of 2000 etc...

This means that the only originals not "replicas" are the first of each series.

But we all know what the average guy is asking when he asks "is that a replica" i.e. is it Real or original.

Continuation series is a real/geniune Cobra but not of the original series. Not rocket science here guys.

Mr. Celby still hasn't provided us the definitional difference of words "real" and "genuine" nor explained why SAAC says the only difference in the original series and the continuation is time frame of maufacture. Hmmm. Wonder why Mr. Celby has stumbled here.

Also, Mr. Celby please stop trying to replicate your user name as a spin off of Carroll Shelby. Your trying to "replicate" a name thats not really yours. Thats disingenuious.

Also, Mr. Celby if you have a Cobra look a like and this goes for all the rest of you that don't own a Shelby that take exception to Continuation owners telling the average Joe that we have real Cobras you should stop telling the average Joe when the ask what your car is that they are "Cobras". There not. There "Cobra look a likes". If they want to see a Cobra you can send them my way, I have one. Otherwise you're being disingenuous.

Anyway. Its all there on the SAAC web site boys. Those that can read and understand english should get it, those who can't won't, many however who do understand english but really want a Shelby but can't get one will nevertheless continue with their specious arguments in trying to convince themselves the Continuation series is not real i.e. fake, a replica, a kit etc....whatever it takes to make themselves feel better. Knock yourselves out.

Same ol' same ol' at ol' CC

Glad theres none of this petty sour grapes crap on the FGT forum.

Enjoy.

[Nedsel]

Hmmm... according to that line of thinking, any car with a VIN of 001 is a real/original whatever, but anything with a later VIN is a replica, built on the same assembly line minutes after car #001. You said this wasn't rocket science, but let's get real.

The simple fact is that anything built to replicate something from years gone by is, well, a replica. Much as I like the new line of CSX cars, they are NOT a "1965 427 Cobra S/C." They are a replica of a 1965 427 Cobra S/C. Are they a genuine Shelby Cobra? Of course.

Is this really tough to grasp?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Hmmm...
Is this really tough to grasp?

OK, I think I've got it now... the new CSX cars are just as much a fake as my ERA, except they're made by Shelby, right?

[Wayne Maybury]

OK, let's really cut to the chase. Most non-Cobraphiles (is that a word?) know that Cobras were originally made in the 60's and that there have been many replicas (call them kits, call them FPSB's, call them whatever) produced in the past several years. When a fellow looks at a Cobra and asks if it is real, he is really asking "Is it an original made in the 60's or is it some some of kit / replica / etc?" He doesn't know that FFR has made more Cobra type cars than $helby has, or that Superformance Cobras are rollers made in South Africa, or that $helby is making Cobras again, or any of this stuff.

I was at the DVSF several years ago and there were 200+ "Cobras" parked in the street. A fellow asked me if mine was real. I explained that it was a replica just like the other 200+ that were there. He said "Oh no, I just spoke to someone who said his was a real Cobra so there is at least one real one here". I replied that to the best of my knowledge there was no original Cobra at this event. He certainly was under the impression that he had just talked to the owner of a real original Cobra.

Wayne

[RodKnock]

I think it's just a matter of belief and perception, although it generates arguments, and no one will win.

I'm not taking one side or the other, but I've been a SAAC member for a very long time, and I'm very sure SAAC knows virtually everything that's Shelby and/or Cobra, but they're just humans. Not everyone takes what they say as gospel and definitions can change with time.

Evan knows his car is a real Cobra. Others believe it's a Cobra just like any of the others.

Personally, when I see a CSX, Kirkham, FFR, BDR, SPF, Unique, or whatever, I say to anyone that's near me "Hey, there goes a Cobra."

[REAL 1]

Ned: Thats not according to my line of thinking, that was according to the dictionary definition you used. Now you don't want to use it?

What does "years later mean"? You say 1997. But after 1962 why can't we say those Cobras made years later in 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968 are replicas of the originals made in 1962 (CSX2000) and the first 3000 series?

Fact is the definitional use of "replica" is really not applicable here. We know what the average Joe means when he asks is it a "replica" and its not "Gee is that the same car made by the same manufacturer but after the original one"?

As I noted above SAAC spells it all out. The rest is just semantics.

One thing for sure...if its not a Shelby its NOT a Cobra but a car that looks like a Cobra. End game. (Limited exceptions as to some ACs).