New 09 Corvette ZR1 - Page 2

jwd · #1 (**permalink**) 02-14-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cobra crazee

the dealership in LA marked up the ZR1 to out the door for 170k.

I can guaranty that it's still there too. There are several of them for sale at $130k and they aren't selling either. Remember when the Ford GT came out? Ford dealers were marking them up $50K - $100K. Some actually got it too. That was when times were good. Things are different now.

Jim

REAL 1 · #2 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 08:49 AM

The ZR1 is an impressive car but in the end its a Corvette. A dime a dozen.

Where does it even compare to the Ford GT?

undy · #3 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by REAL 1

The ZR1 is an impressive car but in the end its a Corvette. A dime a dozen.

Where does it even compare to the Ford GT?

A stock ZR1 would wipe the floor with a stock Ford GT.. The Ford GT's stock times were right in line with the Z06s.. know several people who have both.

Now if you talk only about esthetics, that's another matter.

Dave

Hexnut72 · #4 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by REAL 1

Where does it even compare to the Ford GT?

Both have supercharged V8's.
Both have 6 speed manual transaxles
Both seat 2
Both cars built by American car companies.
Both cars are halo cars for their respective companies.
Both are limited production and similar cars will not be made again by either company for a long, long, long time.

Ford GT
550hp
3485
0-60 mph 3.3 seconds
1/4 mile 11.6 seconds/128 mph
Braking 70-0 mph 153'
Top speed est 205 mph

Corvette ZR1
638hp
Weight 3324
0-60 mph 3.3 seconds
1/4 mile 11.5/128mph
Braking 70-0 mph 142'
Top speed est 205 mph

Performance is within driver error so that is a wash.

Some people don't care about the numbers and are just brand snobs.

undy · #5 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hexnut72

Both have supercharged V8's.
Both have 6 speed manual transaxles
Both seat 2
Both cars built by American car companies.
Both cars are halo cars for their respective companies.
Both are limited production and similar cars will not be made again by either company for a long, long, long time.

Ford GT
550hp
3485
0-60 mph 3.3 seconds
1/4 mile 11.6 seconds/128 mph
Braking 70-0 mph 153'
Top speed est 205 mph

Corvette ZR1
638hp
Weight 3324
0-60 mph 3.3 seconds
1/4 mile 11.5/128mph
Braking 70-0 mph 142'
Top speed est 205 mph

Performance is within driver error so that is a wash.

Some people don't care about the numbers and are just brand snobs.

Nurburgring times:

7.26.XX ZR1
7.40. XX Ford GT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times

The Viper ACR kicked eveyone's kiester w/a 7.22.xx

Dave

RedBarchetta · #6 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hexnut72

Ford GT
550hp
Weight 3485
0-60 mph 3.3 seconds
1/4 mile 11.6 seconds/128 mph

Corvette ZR1
638hp
Weight 3324
0-60 mph 3.3 seconds
1/4 mile 11.5/128mph

Logic would tell you with the HP/Weight ratio heavily favoring the ZR1 that the times wouldn't be as close. Obviously the mid-engine configuration of the GT is more optimal for traction and straight line acceleration, but The Ring times indicate that the ZR1 is the better all-around performer.

SPF2245 · #7 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 09:55 AM

I think with the untold BILLIONS we've handed out to GM...every tax payer should get a ZR1 for their cost, period...oh, and 0% down, 0% interest courtesy of Fannie Mae. Hell, they want another $16B after the first $13B did nothing...and now say chapter 11 could cost us $100B. For as much grief as they've cost us...what's a couple ZR1's to keep us interested in helping them???

CobraDan · #8 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 10:49 AM

The 1.2 trillion handed out so far is only equal to $4,000 per person, sorry.

mpanten · #9 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CobraDan

The 1.2 trillion handed out so far is only equal to $4,000 per person, sorry.

I have paid a heck of a lot more than that.

Tugboat · #10 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 02:11 PM

In 10 years the average car person will look at the corvette and ask Z01 or Z06 what is that?
In 10 years the same people will look at the ford and say WOW, a Ford GT.

I have had a Gt for a month, I can put an Exhaust / Pulley / Tune on it and get 150 more HP. What do I need it for? Went 145 this weekend on a lonely stretch of road and hadn't hit 6th gear yet. I will not be driving the "Ring" so could care less. To be honest, it has almost as much usable power now that you can put to the ground with street tires. If you care, Stock it is as quiet at 70 as my wifes Subaru Tribeca and rides 10 times more comfortably than my Silverado Pickup. It took me years to be able to buy this car. I have owned 12 different cars in the last 3 years alone. Traded in a 2008 Shelby GT500 (great car except for the terrible wheel hop), a CAV GT40 kit and a 2007 Saturn Sky. This will be the last fun car I will need to buy "ALL IN, ALL DONE" I use the GT for comfort and fast and the Lone Star Cobra for the LOUD, Not real comfortable, and fast car.

Too each his own!!!!

Larry

REAL 1 · #11 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 02:24 PM

[quote=Tugboat;922267] "In 10 years the average car person will look at the corvette and ask Z01 or Z06 what is that?
In 10 years the same people will look at the ford and say WOW, a Ford GT."

Bingo!

End of story.

SP01715 · #12 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 04:07 PM

[quote=REAL 1;922273]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tugboat

"In 10 years the average car person will look at the corvette and ask Z01 or Z06 what is that?
In 10 years the same people will look at the ford and say WOW, a Ford GT."

Bingo!

End of story.

First of all it is a ZR1, not a Z01. I love the Ford GT, but I disagree. The ZR1 is a monster, and with the new vehicle CAFE standards might be one of the last true American super cars. Nobody knows what the future holds, but I suspect the CAFE standards as well as the economic conditions will greatly effect the new performance cars that are built. Just my.02

john chesnut · #13 (**permalink**) 02-19-2009, 03:57 PM

Here's my car. C5 Corvette drivetrain, suspension, wheels, tires bolted to a space frame which keeps the Z06 track and wheelbase. The engine is moved rearward 20inches for a true mid engine balance. My brother in law, Paul and I sculpted the body which is inspired by the 1950's sports racers. It's street legal and goes like stink! 405hp, 1980lbs, thats only 4.88 lbs per hp which I believe beats the GT 500 and the new ZR1. This car costs less than $30,000 to build. I like the other ones but can't afford one.

Ron61 · #14 (**permalink**) 02-20-2009, 03:41 AM

John,

I like your car. It is not something that you are going to see every day and that to me makes a big difference. That is one reason our Cobra group here died out and now I think there are maybe 3 or 4 left. Everyone got tired of seeing the same cars over and over and was looking for something that no one else had.
Great job on the build and it looks great to me.

Ron

REAL 1 · #15 (**permalink**) 02-20-2009, 10:45 AM

Ford GT has 550hp stock and goes like stink in stock form.

A few Heffner mods like tune, Ford Racing exhaust puts you up around 600 hp. With a pulley 650hp.

undy · #16 (**permalink**) 02-20-2009, 12:22 PM

It needs a lot of boost to make that Triton displacement deficient tractor motor make any amount of horsepower

There's more heritage in the Corvette marque that a Ford built "replica" GT40 could ever emulate. If you want to count a significant racing heritage, Corvette's the winner there too. The GT40 was a flash-in-the-pan whilst the Vette has soldiered on for 56+ years. I like the Ford GT but when people get on their un-justified high-horses...

OBTW... the ZR1 doesn't need a tune, pulley etc to already knock down near 650 hp. It does it stock. That 6.2L has the ability to go much higher too, need be.

flame on...

Dave

Cobra #3170 · #17 (**permalink**) 02-20-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by undy

It needs a lot of boost to make that Triton displacement deficient tractor motor make any amount of horsepower

There's more heritage in the Corvette marque that a Ford built "replica" GT40 could ever emulate. If you want to count a significant racing heritage, Corvette's the winner there too. The GT40 was a flash-in-the-pan whilst the Vette has soldiered on for 56+ years. I like the Ford GT but when people get on their un-justified high-horses...

OBTW... the ZR1 doesn't need a tune, pulley etc to already knock down near 650 hp. It does it stock. That 6.2L has the ability to go much higher too, need be.

flame on...

Dave

You might want to check this out for highly modified Corvette and highly modified Ford GT

http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start...8zvbmER7xuA6EA

While I admire the ZRI for what it is, it is still a Corvette and has such a strong family resemblance that it is not unique in appearance. The GT was not engineered to be nearly as competitive as it could be. It has a good deal of roll under steer to make it stable for unskilled drivers (most owners).
The tires are a fairly hard compound and have too high a sidewall to function really well on the stock rims (this was done for appearance sake).
It is a far superior platform however with much higher torsional stiffness than the Vette, better weight distribution and a super efficient transaxle (5% drive train loss). I have said it before but will repeat: Changing springs, revalving the shocks, adding a correct alignment along with Corvette or Viper tires and wheel sizes would make the car competitive with anything out there. The GT could have been set up that way but that was not the intent of the designers. I am also not a big fan of the modular engine but it does well for 331 inches and can produce more than adequate power with a small boost increase. Rear wheel HP on stock GT's is in the 535 range because of that efficient transaxle. These cars are speed limited to 205 MPH but will go 211-212 if the limiter is removed. Which would you rather have?

SP01715 · #18 (**permalink**) 02-20-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by REAL 1

Ford GT has 550hp stock and goes like stink in stock form.

A few Heffner mods like tune, Ford Racing exhaust puts you up around 600 hp. With a pulley 650hp.

I will take your word for it because you own one, but different sources have different numbers (some list it at 500 some at 550) for the GT. Like I said I love the car, but I think Ford could have made it nastier from the factory since it is a super car compared to others with a lot better stats. I would have to change the pulley if I owned one.

RedBarchetta · #19 (**permalink**) 02-20-2009, 02:41 PM

I drive an '02 Z06 daily (great, fun car to drive) and I have the SPF for fun.

I'd gladly give them both up and drive a Yugo to the office each day if I could trade them 2 for 1 for a Ford GT.

rms427 · #20 (**permalink**) 02-20-2009, 03:28 PM

When I purchased my C6 Z06 I also looked at the Ford GT. The GT has it with looks and WOW factor but in some ways it's even less practical than my Cobra. It has no storage and I would have to spend extra bucks to just fit in it. I'm 6'6" tall and just don't fit in the Ford. I can take the Cobra on a trip but it would be very difficult to do that with a Ford GT because of the lack of storage space. The price difference was also a factor but the biggest reason for going with the Corvette was it's practicality. I use it as a daily driver and took a 6,700 mile road trip in it. On the trip I averaged 25.5 MPG. From everything I have read the ZR1 is even more practical except for the reduced gas mileage. So the Ford GT is a fantastic car but it's a toy like the Cobra. The ZR1 is supercar that can be used as a daily driver.