Re SB- 232

McDoo · #1 (**permalink**) 03-10-2009, 05:12 PM

I hate to say it guys but you are missing the big picture here. SB100
allows you to avoid all pollution laws and let's face it the motors you
guys build for these cars are just major pollutors. YOu can stand on a soap box all day long and say you don't drive them but in the end that will not matter. The fact that you spew 20x plus times the legal limit regardless of how much you drive will simply kill this bill in Ca. If anything our elected officals will look at 500 being too much and look at reducing the number to 100, that is real life here in Ca. The State can't afford to lose Federal funds if the air does not meet federal standards. In the Bay Area you can't even light a fire in your fireplace on spare the air days and reports are showing that it works so look for more regulation..those are the facts.
Now if you can meet existing smog requirements then you have a shot at getting some regulation passed with no maximum limit as long as some whinny lady represenative doesn't complain about the lack of modern safety features on these cars...I believe that lady represents Palo Alto amoung others

Nice letter Steve but this bill is such a long shot I doubt it has a chance....

McDoo The real one

PatBuckley · #2 (**permalink**) 03-11-2009, 07:04 AM

The numbers we are talking here is miniscule so the pollution argument doesn't carry much water, IMO....

...and not having to have your engine meet emission standards is the whole reason why we want the SB100 type of bill in the first place!!!

I don't get your point(s)...

WarrenG · #3 (**permalink**) 03-11-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PatBuckley

The numbers we are talking here is miniscule so the pollution argument doesn't carry much water, IMO....

...and not having to have your engine meet emission standards is the whole reason why we want the SB100 type of bill in the first place!!!

I don't get your point(s)...

Sorry, but McDoo is right. The politicians and environazis don't care about the reality of the numbers, they will only highlight what drives their agenda (i.e. the cars are gross polluters. That's why there are so many morons out there that are still pushing the idea that global warming is the result of increased CO2 emissions from human activities.

Ron61 · #4 (**permalink**) 03-11-2009, 07:34 AM

And with every car they can get off the road they sell the companies the right to spew more and more emissions into the air. Please explain how removing 1 ton per year and replacing it with 5 tons because the big companies will pay them millions is cleaning the air any.

This bill needs to be passed to give something in this state for people to look forward to.

McDoo,

The fact that you spew 20x plus times the legal limit regardless of how much you drive.

Please tell me where you got this scientific information.

Ron

McDoo · #5 (**permalink**) 03-11-2009, 10:09 AM

McDoo,

The fact that you spew 20x plus times the legal limit regardless of how much you drive.

Please tell me where you got this scientific information.

Ron[/quote]

Ron,

That is how much over the limit my 408 stroker motor registered when it was tested at the Bar.

The state wants to control emission levels and that is why 500 is the limit. If they eliminate the limit then they have also eliminated their control and that is what won't fly. Ca is already making emissions standards higher for new cars than what the Fed's mandate so why would they allow spcn cars to circumvent the law..You got a good deal at 500

McDoo.

Ron61 · #6 (**permalink**) 03-11-2009, 10:25 AM

McDoo,

When my 408 stroker was tested it was about 9 times the level for 2007. Now I know that these engines are never going to meet the levels they want but if they took every car in the state off the road, unless they start making the big companies meet their requirements, it is not going to help. We never had smog at all here until Knauf moved in. They have never met the emission requirements they agreed to and every year just pay a few million and get the credit to double or triple what they dumped the year before as their original filters are now completely worthless and the state won't make them do anything abut it. Everyone here voted against even letting them move in and they went to the state and got permission to ignore the peoples vote and build here anyway.
The 500 is a joke and you know it. As long as they refuse to crack down on manufacturing companies that spew tons of that crap into the air, no amount of cars is going to help. And you are aware that every car they get off the road they rush right out and sell the emissions that they figure that car would have emitted to some company so they don't have to clean up their emissions aren't you.
By the way, this is not trying to belittle your statements or pick a fight. We just don't agree and that should be something that can be done withut anger or name calling as so many of the threads seem to degenerate to any more. I have the SB-100 on my car too, but would still like to see them unlimited.And I believe that after a year or two you would see a huge drop in applications as people who have waited for years won't get one because of this limit, plus the state would take in huge amounts of money on registrations during that period.
And how about Pelosi, Boxer.and Fienstien flying back and forth to Washington twice a week on their own jets? One of those darn things dumps more pollution in the air on take off and landing than you car will in 5 years.

Ron