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Old 04-28-2009, 09:28 AM
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Thumb your nose, yes -- guffaw, no. To do that you have to move up to a Kirkham or an ERA....
With that CSX4000 recently selling for $40K +/- on eBay, why not buy a CSX and thumb your nose at everyone.
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Old 04-28-2009, 09:29 AM
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With that CSX4000 recently selling for $40K +/- on eBay, why not buy a CSX and thumb your nose at everyone.
But you have to explain to people that you settled for the poorest quality in exchange for an authentic name....
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Old 04-28-2009, 09:50 AM
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Constant comparison to a product that costs 35% more is a good thing.
But is that cost differential a fair "apples to apples" comparison Cash?

Does a Backdraft come with a tonneau cover?
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Aren't side mirrors even an added cost?
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These standard SPF features have to make an apples to apples price comparison pretty close, if not maybe even in favor of the SPF...?
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But you have to explain to people that you settled for the poorest quality in exchange for an authentic name....
Ruh Roh.

At $40K +/- for a roller, isn't a CSX a viable option?
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:06 AM
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But you have to explain to people that you settled for the poorest quality in exchange for an authentic name....
Tsk, tsk. There is no substitute for first hand experience when making bold statements on a specific issue. I have a totally different first hand experience with CSX cars than what you are passing on from others who you may not personally know. You mean to say you've actually wrenched on a CSX and found it to be the poorest quality over something else that you personally worked on? Or just hearsay?
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:07 AM
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Tsk, tsk. There is no substitute for first hand experience when making bold statements on a specific issue. I have a totally different first hand experience with CSX cars than what you are passing on from others who you may not personally know. You mean to say you've actually wrenched on a CSX and found it to be the poorest quality over something else that you personally worked on? Or just hearsay?
No, I was just trying to incite trouble....
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:11 AM
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No, I was just trying to incite trouble....

OK, I can live with that.
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:13 AM
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No, I was just trying to incite trouble....
So atypical of you.

Actually, it's usually the FFR crowd that gets the brunt of your "attacks."
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:16 AM
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So atypical of you.

Actually, it's usually the FFR crowd that gets the brunt of your "attacks."
Well, truth be told, if I only had $40k to play with and my choices were a CSX roller or an FFR, I would go with the FFR (don't tell anyone, though).
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:48 AM
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I don't often wander into these sort of threads as they can deviate from the original intent rather easily and then big sticks are needed ...

anyway ........

BDR or SPF - that is the question

I've chosen the BDR after looking at, and riding in both. Now why?

Core quality: The examples I have seen of each have been pretty much equal when looking at paint quality and general fitment of panels. Some were better 'here' while others were better 'there' and even within each marque there were differences in the 'heres' and 'theres' so in the end it was pretty much a wash in looking at the core cars from each.

General stance and proportions: I just like the look of the BDR when it's sitting there over the SPF. Sure there are some dimensional differences but that doesn't matter to me. To my eye the BDR looks better. I also felt I had more room in the BDR.

Options: Here we go ....... The SPF costs more because you get more. When you 'option up' the BDR to the same level as the SPF then the $'s are about the same. That was the key point for me - you can or you can not option the BDR to a SPF. The choice is yours. If you don't want knock-off wheels then you say 'no thanks' and you won't get knock-offs and you won't pay for knock-offs. Down here in La the last thing you want is a heater - so again 'no thanks' and you won't be paying for something you don't want or will ever use.

The rest of it is all personalities and that's to subjective to given any valid comment on
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:54 AM
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:59 AM
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With that CSX4000 recently selling for $40K +/- on eBay, why not buy a CSX and thumb your nose at everyone.
Some would agree, except for the guy that sold his SPF to buy a CSX and was disappointed in the quality of the CSX.

http://www.sandiegoautonews.com/MAGAZINE.html

Time to leave the thread again before the full scale turf wars begin.
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:11 AM
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My apologies to everyone. I wasn't trying to derail the thread from a BDR versus SPF discussion or start any turf wars, but I thought that with a CSX roller price right around that $40K +/- range, that a CSX could be a viable option for the gentleman who started the thread.

Personally, I've seen all three and all three are very nice. I have my favorite of the three, but I'm not an owner of any, so I won't comment since I have no first-hand/ownership experience. There are A LOT of happy SPF, BDR and CSX owners on this forum.
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My apologies to everyone. I wasn't trying to derail the thread from a BDR versus SPF discussion or start any turf wars, but I thought that with a CSX roller price right around that $40K +/- range, that a CSX could be a viable option for the gentleman who started the thread.

Personally, I've seen all three and all three are very nice. I have my favorite of the three, but I'm not an owner of any, so I won't comment since I have no first-hand/ownership experience. There are A LOT of happy SPF, BDR and CSX owners on this forum.
Rodney - No big deal...this thread was already derailed.
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Here's a dood that lived out of his trunk for darn near 15,000 miles driving right out from the dealer's door. And his wife was with him, and they was still married after the trip! Pretty interesting read;

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Thanks for all the info, both good and bad.

I am going to go to my local SPF dealer, Hillbank Motorcars in Irvine, this weekend and take a drive in one.

I got to crawl all over a BDR at the Knotts show and want to compare it to the SPF (which had a display 50 feet away but I was so into crawling all over the BDR's that I failed to compare to their cars).

As an aside, if I end up with a SPF, can I then thumb my nose at the FFR cars?

Just kidding FFR owners (of which I am one).
Jim - During your visit to Hillbank make sure you mention how much you admire Nelson Mandela. And when you leave it's customary to say "Jou ma se poes" which is Afrikaner for have a nice day.

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Jim - During your visit to Hillbank make sure you mention how much you admire Nelson Mandela. And when you leave it's customary to say "Jou ma se poes" which is Afrikaner for have a nice day.
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I hate to say it, but I have also found the SPF and BDR to be better quality than the Shelby continuation series cars.

I have visited the factory in Las Vegas and was not impressed enough to make the leap to a "REAL SHELBY".

For now, SPF or BDR will probably be my limit.

Any other good/bad experiences?

How about Vintage or Dynamic East or West as a dealer of choice?
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:20 PM
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So atypical of you.

Actually, it's usually the FFR crowd that gets the brunt of your "attacks."
Ahhh, but you can see now from some of the posts that others agree with me. It took but one post with "the courage to jump on the truth" and then the floodgates open with those that secretly felt that way all along, yet were hesitant to say it out loud....
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But is that cost differential a fair "apples to apples" comparison Cash?

Does a Backdraft come with a tonneau cover?
Soft Top?
Oil cooler?
Aren't side mirrors even an added cost?
Limited slip differential standard?
Heater?
Glovebox?
Real knockoffs?

These standard SPF features have to make an apples to apples price comparison pretty close, if not maybe even in favor of the SPF...?
At the end of the day it will only matter what options or equipment you want on the car. The BDR is STANDARD with KNOCKOFFS, I will type that again... the BDR is STANDARD with KNOCKOFFS. You can also get several colored interiors at no charge as well as the stripes do not add any cost to the price. The quick jacks are standard in SS as are the sidepipes with the heatshields included. The side mirror is included and you can get the tonneau cover included as well. The LS vs. BMW unit is up for debate, I'd prefer a new driver in one of these to have the give. It will all boil down to what you want on your car.
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