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09-29-2009, 05:53 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby American CSX 4241 - authentically built
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The cars built in the early 90s that were marketed as being made from left over chassis are considered "completion" cars. They wear csx3000 VINs just like the 60s cars.
The 4000 series cars are called "continuation" cars, as in, they are the continuation of Shelby producing Cobras after many years of not building them.
For legal reasons, Shelby sells ALL continuation cars as "component" vehicles.... meaning they are sold as part of a completed car, and not a DOT legal completed vehicle for the year of manufacture (no Cobra would meet actual federal standards for modern day and still look like a Cobra).
CSX4000 cars wearing the VIN range from 4000 to into the 4300s, are considered "vegas" cars. Meaning, they were produced by Shelby in Vegas. They were usually sold to authorized Shelby dealers in packages of parts, with the dealers finishing off the cars to the customers liking. Some vegas cars were actually built at Shelby, instead of a dealer, but still started as a package of parts made by Shelby.
There were a few carbon body cars that I think used 4500 numbers.
There are no 4400 or 4600 numbered cars that I am aware of.
Starting with the number 4750, new 4000 cars were now sold as painted, completed rollers, you add the drivetrain. About a dozen or so of the first cars were build in South America by CAV, most having build quality issues that had to be fixed at Shelby. Then the deal was struck with HST to take over building the glass 4000 cars. Later on in time, Shelby struck a deal with Hi-Tech to build some of the CSX cars, to CSX specs. So now, HST and Hi-tech both build new CSX cars.
The newest cars have a 6000 VIN, since the 5000 numbers were used on the old Series 1 cars.
Superformance is licensed by Shelby to use the COBRA name, and is the only replica maker authorized to do so. Other than that, a Superformance built by Hi-Tech shares nothing in common with a CSX built by Hi-Tech.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
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Sal Mennella
CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold
See my car at CSXinfo.net here >> CSX 4241
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09-29-2009, 05:59 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northport,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Power Surge
There were a few carbon body cars that I think used 4500 numbers.
There are no 4400 or 4600 numbered cars that I am aware of.
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The 4500 run is indeed the carbon-fiber cars...plus the 'famous' FAM models.
Around mid CSX43xx, the numbers in sequence were for the aluminum cars, with the 4750 and up being the glas cars.
They are cars into the 44xx sequence, continuing with aluminum.
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09-29-2009, 06:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by computerworks
The 4500 run is indeed the carbon-fiber cars...plus the 'famous' FAM models.
Around mid CSX43xx, the numbers in sequence were for the aluminum cars, with the 4750 and up being the glas cars.
They are cars into the 44xx sequence, continuing with aluminum.
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Yeah, I knew they kept the early sequence going for the alloy cars, just wasn't sure if they'd gotten into the 4400s or not yet.
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Sal Mennella
CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold
See my car at CSXinfo.net here >> CSX 4241
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09-29-2009, 06:29 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: San Clemente,
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX 4758, CSX 381 Keith Craft 482 w/ Weber 48 IDA's
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So would that mean that my car, CSX 4758's chassis and various parts was built off site and then brought to SAI for assembly? I have pictures of the chassis and body in various states of primer, no body, no brakes/suspension that have "4758" on masking tape affixed to various parts. I wondered if it was fabricated at SAI or was outsourced and the various parts delivered to SAI for assembly.
I know that due to quality control issues, the entire car was returned to SAI and rebodied and painted in LV. I don't know where the chassis came from and that was the essence of my question.
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09-29-2009, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rokndad
So would that mean that my car, CSX 4758's chassis and various parts was built off site and then brought to SAI for assembly? I have pictures of the chassis and body in various states of primer, no body, no brakes/suspension that have "4758" on masking tape affixed to various parts. I wondered if it was fabricated at SAI or was outsourced and the various parts delivered to SAI for assembly.
I know that due to quality control issues, the entire car was returned to SAI and rebodied and painted in LV. I don't know where the chassis came from and that was the essence of my question.
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4758 SHOULD have been originally built in SA at CAV. If the car had to be rebuilt at Shelby for whatever reason, that I don't know. Most of the quality issues with the CAV cars were mainly paint and finish related, so it's very possible Shelby may have taken the body off and just redid the car.
One big thing people didn't like on the CAV cars was that they painted the back sides of the hood, trunk and doors with wrinkle bedliner.
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Sal Mennella
CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold
See my car at CSXinfo.net here >> CSX 4241
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09-29-2009, 06:57 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX 4758, CSX 381 Keith Craft 482 w/ Weber 48 IDA's
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Power Surge
4758 SHOULD have been originally built in SA at CAV. If the car had to be rebuilt at Shelby for whatever reason, that I don't know. Most of the quality issues with the CAV cars were mainly paint and finish related, so it's very possible Shelby may have taken the body off and just redid the car.
One big thing people didn't like on the CAV cars was that they painted the back sides of the hood, trunk and doors with wrinkle bedliner.
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Thanks Sal. I think 4758 is a hybrid of sorts, since both the underhood and trunk are finished as nicely as the rest of the exterior on the car. Plus, John Ross, a forum member, took pictures of the car during assembly, some of which he sent to me and are in my gallery. It looks like the chassis was delivered without any suspension affixed to it and then assembled at SAI. Gary Patterson told me the body was made at the prison on the outskirts of LV and finished and painted at SAI.
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09-29-2009, 06:31 PM
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Location: Dracut,
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Cobra Make, Engine: CMC & CSX 4220 289 & 428CJ
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Sal did you sell your car? CSX 4241
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09-29-2009, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DonnieG
Sal did you sell your car? CSX 4241
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It's up on Cobra Country right now. Got a few interested, but of course it's still for sale till someone shows me the green  .
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Sal Mennella
CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold
See my car at CSXinfo.net here >> CSX 4241
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