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[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Mother

I wish no harm for the young lady's family. I wish that Wilson has an extreme difficulty in obtaining insurance and a drivers authorization for a very long time.

The trend for fatal DUIs, over the last decade, is a very rough 10 years per victim. The fact that she was in the car with him throws a wildcard in to the mix. For instance "we were just having fun and then she reached over and yanked the wheel -- that's why it flipped."

[Mother]

Oh goodness me. I sure hope he would not make that kind of a statement after trying to bribe the Officer.

[oleyellar]

Manslaughter charges filed today against Mr. Wilson.
As well they should be.
Oleyellar

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by patrickt

The trend for fatal DUIs, over the last decade, is a very rough 10 years per victim. The fact that she was in the car with him throws a wildcard in to the mix. For instance "we were just having fun and then she reached over and yanked the wheel -- that's why it flipped."

We had a 25 year old kid that worked for us. The kid had a bright future with an engineering degree. 5 years ago one Friday night he went bar hopping with a friend.
A bad accident resulted in his passenger being killed (another one of our employees) as well as the driver of the other car. He was convicted of manslaughter and DUI and is in jail to this day serving 15 years.
Once convicted, the civil lawsuits started and wiped his family out. A damn shame all around. He threw his life away as well as many others. One bad decision is all it takes.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Bernica

We had a 25 year old kid that worked for us. The kid had a bright future with an engineering degree. 5 years ago one Friday night he went bar hopping with a friend.
A bad accident resulted in his passenger being killed (another one of our employees) as well as the driver of the other car. He was convicted of manslaughter and DUI and is in jail to this day serving 15 years.
Once convicted, the civil lawsuits started and wiped his family out. A damn shame all around. He threw his life away as well as many others. One bad decision is all it takes.

Yeah, I know it looks bad for him, but maybe there are some extenuating circumstances that will help him out. Imagine for a second that this kid had been racing another kid, and both were drunk, and both crashed in to one another and one was killed, would everyone here still feel the same way (since the victim was a "willing participant" in that example)?

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Yeah, I know it looks bad for him, but maybe there are some extenuating circumstances that will help him out. Imagine for a second that this kid had been racing another kid, and both were drunk, and both crashed in to one another and one was killed, would everyone here still feel the same way (since the victim was a "willing participant" in that example)?

Apples to oranges.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by jhv48

Apples to oranges.

But what if it isn't? What if she was with him at the bar drinking for hours and then said "C'mon Willie, show me what that car can do!" What if he, at first, declined, and she persisted? Would that change your mind?

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by patrickt

But what if it isn't? What if she was with him at the bar drinking for hours and then said "C'mon Willie, show me what that car can do!" What if he, at first, declined, and she persisted? Would that change your mind?

Nope, not mine.
It's just as easy to say "F__k it, let's just get you a cab and I'll give you a ride some other time."
The second decision would be to take that wad of cash out and pay someone to take care of the car until he can pick it up tomorrow and take the cab with her. Could have been a happy ending. Sadly, not so.

[mrmustang]

Patrick,

Would you be so stupid as to do this? Honestly, do you believe in what you post, or just want to post for the shock and awe factor.

He was drunk and got behind the wheel of the car, that was his mistake, regardless of what type of car it was. He got in to an accident and cost the life of his passenger, that was mistake number two. Can't wait to hear his excuses in court so he can make mistake number three, PERJURY.

Originally Posted by patrickt

But what if it isn't? What if she was with him at the bar drinking for hours and then said "C'mon Willie, show me what that car can do!" What if he, at first, declined, and she persisted? Would that change your mind?

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Patrick,

Would you be so stupid as to do this? Honestly, do you believe in what you post, or just want to post for the shock and awe factor.

He was drunk and got behind the wheel of the car, that was his mistake, regardless of what type of car it was. He got in to an accident and cost the life of his passenger, that was mistake number two. Can't wait to hear his excuses in court so he can make mistake number three, PERJURY.

While I can't disagree with anything you've said, and nor do I think Patrick needs the support, but IF you are being honest, he makes a valid point here, merely offering the other side of the coin.

I DONT like it one little bit, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist... or that your/our/a legal system sadly wouldn't see and choose this side of the coin.

YES, the law can stink!

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by patrickt

But what if it isn't? What if she was with him at the bar drinking for hours and then said "C'mon Willie, show me what that car can do!" What if he, at first, declined, and she persisted? Would that change your mind?

Nope!

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by patrickt

But what if it isn't? What if she was with him at the bar drinking for hours and then said "C'mon Willie, show me what that car can do!" What if he, at first, declined, and she persisted? Would that change your mind?

No, that would just tell me he was thinking with his little head, not the big one.