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08-11-2005, 10:23 PM
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Oil cooler plumbing
I am having SVC at the Scottsdale Airpark install the lines for the oil cooler soon. I am still in a quandry wheither or not to install an oil thermostat . I have a lot of conflicting opinions from very knowledgable people. Since there are a lot of them on the forum what is your opinion. This is being done for looks not necessity since I am running a 5.0 with only 300HP. Help
John
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08-12-2005, 08:55 AM
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I would highly recommend a thermostat if you are going to be running an oil cooler.
Several threads on the subject with manufacurers mentioned on the forum.
Trick here is to get the oil up to the proper temp. The oil coolers definately seem to work and, in most cases, too well and don't allow the oil to reach proper temp.
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08-12-2005, 12:33 PM
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John, I know several that have blocked off the cooler because it works too good. One guy installed the cooler, had the nice -an lines connect to each other above the cooler where it couldn't be seen. Looks like it was functioning, but was just for show.
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You would be well advised NOT to install an oil cooler without some sort of thermostat. The thermostat will prevent the oil from being too cool. Oil that is too cool will shorten bearing and ring life. Also keeping the oil too cool will aid in the buildup of sludge and acids in the oil (most of us change the oil often enough that this is rarely a problem anyway). If you want a simple solution MOCAL makes a nifty sandwich style adapter with a built in thermostat and bypass that mounts between the engine block and the canister oil filter on most Ford motors. This item comes with 1/2" NPT female threads for your oil line fittings (I assume you will be using -AN fittings and -10 braided steel oil hose). This thermostat will keep oil out of the cooler until it has heated up sufficiently and will regulate oil flow through the cooler (NOT through the engine) so oil temp will be sufficient. You will still be able to use the typical FL1A oil filter or a FL300 if you must use a shorter filter due to clearance concerns. See the photo below. Good Luck.
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Thanks for the info guys. Looking to install one myself.
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08-12-2005, 02:51 PM
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Check out this thread
The following thread had some good information on the subject:
Oil Filter Adapter Thread
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Re: Oil cooler plumbing
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Originally posted by double ugly
I am still in a quandry wheither or not to install an oil thermostat . I have a lot of conflicting opinions from very knowledgable people.
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has anybody had an engine failure that was related to not using a oil thermostat, and the oil temp being too low? Or, is a thermostat more of a theoretical advantage/benefit.
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It has been an on going delema for me. Hook it up/fake it/hook it up/fake it. I finally decided to go ahead and make it functional since there have been occassions where I drive it here in Phoenix when it is REALLY HOT. I am going to install a thermostat for piece of mind and engine longevety. Thanks for the help.
This is a really great forum.
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08-12-2005, 11:28 PM
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Spaeking of oil cooolers, anyone ever have dealings with this company?
http://www.batinc.net/main.htm
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Johns question about oil coolers started me thinking.
With the extra lines, cooler and remote oil filter, what is the thoughts on the pump? High Volume? High pressure?
Is a stock volume/pressure pump able to pump the oil through all the extras or does it need to be changed?
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I have recieved both answers to that question too. The higher volume pump was recommended by NAGA but others I've talked to said it isn't required. Line friction probably causes some resistance but most have said that the stock pump I have should handle it ok. Do not want a higher pressure pump for sure.
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Thats about what I've been told too. I'm also thinking that a higher cap oil pan is in order.
I used to race VW's and w/o a lot more oil, the pan would empty of oil at higher rpm if you used a high volume pump. The oil would be out in the heads and the sump would run dry. Pretty scary when the oil light comes on at 7000 revs!
I think I'm going to use Moroso's 9 qt pan. Should be more than enough.
Thanks John!
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To Tongue Pirate and all, BAT Inc. is where I purchased my Mocal thermostat/adapter. They have several diffeent styles to choose from.
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Does the thermo adapter have the thermostat in it? & if so is it any thicker than the standard sandwich plate? I was going to call monday but this would help avoid my first dumb question.... Also, if you don't mind, how much did you spend on your system & what did it include?
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Get the thermostat! I have been taping off my cooler to control my oil temp for some time now and what a pain. If I go on a long cruz the oil gets so cold that my oil pressure goes through the roof so I need to tape off the opening to stop the air flow. Then when we hit stop and go and the oil needs the air flow, but I am not stopping to take off the tape. If I hit the track the tape comes off, going home from the track tape on (I think you get the picture).
If that oil thermostat can be plumed through remote oil filters I sure would like to take a look at it! I was unable to get to the web site to check it out.
Have fun!
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http://www.batinc.net
Try it again. I went with the 16 row cooler & kit with the thermo housing. Eric at B.A.T. confirmed that there is a thermostat inside the housing. It'll be a fun little project for a weekend morning.
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