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Post By Thor maine
06-11-2013, 03:34 PM
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Arntz/Butler Cobra?
Dear all,
I own a Cobra and I´m not sure if it is an early Arntz Butler car. I would be intersted in your opinion. The car has the MGB front suspension a Jaguar rear end. I think it was imported to Germany in the late 70`s but I´m not sure about that.
I try to attach some pictures! Many thanks in advance!
Thomas
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06-11-2013, 08:19 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Former owner of Long Live the Bow tie Contemporary #102 427 Chevy .30 over Merlin heads 11to1, TBI injection
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The frame Maybe ? But the body is not Artnz/Butler. They had no rear fender lip. More pictures please.
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06-13-2013, 09:33 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Corralitos,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 1980 Arntz 427W, Webers, TKO600, Jag IRS
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The frame looks correct. 3x4 rails with a cross member under the engine. 1x4 out rigger frame under the seats. 4 to 1 collectors and square flange exactly like mine. 4 round tail lights and trunk hinges exposed.
Gas filler is in a different location. I have rear fender lips but not that large. Hood locks are in a different location. These could have been changed from original.
Dash board is different but once again, owner preference.
More pictures: Engine compartment, around steering shaft/throttle linkage area. Radiator. Fiberglass covering the front suspension. Door hinges and latches. Turn indicator at steering wheel.
I'm thinking Arntz not Butler.
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06-13-2013, 09:55 PM
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Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Folsom,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 623, 427 S/C Cobra. Ford FE 428 Cobra Jet, Ford Nascar TL 4speed - with a touch of raw; "less is more" theme
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Engine compartment pics?
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Western States Cobra Group 1998-2016.
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06-14-2013, 04:11 AM
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Location: Ottawa,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 2002 Superformance w/392 stroker
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CMC, maybe...?
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and anyone who drives slower is an Idiot." - George Carlin
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06-14-2013, 05:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Howland
The frame looks correct. 3x4 rails with a cross member under the engine. 1x4 out rigger frame under the seats. 4 to 1 collectors and square flange exactly like mine. 4 round tail lights and trunk hinges exposed.
Gas filler is in a different location. I have rear fender lips but not that large. Hood locks are in a different location. These could have been changed from original.
Dash board is different but once again, owner preference.
More pictures: Engine compartment, around steering shaft/throttle linkage area. Radiator. Fiberglass covering the front suspension. Door hinges and latches. Turn indicator at steering wheel.
I'm thinking Arntz not Butler.
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The gas tank cap is inthe original Arntz position. Mine had it there originally but it was glassed over and moved to the rear fender.
Dash looks to have a glove box. No room behind my dash for a glove box. Maybe just a door? |
11-26-2024, 11:41 AM
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I am trying to I.D. our cobra. I am told it is possibly an Arntz car. Though the frame on our Cobra has 4" square tubing, a mustang vin #, jaguar rear differential. I have no paperwork for the car. Mustang II front suspension and the lower control arm is a cast iron lower control arm with a strut rod. I believe the one major factor to help I.D. the car is the front lower control arms. Any help would greatly be appreciated.
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11-26-2024, 03:27 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, ERA 289 roadster hybrid, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Originally Posted by Mark papa
I am trying to I.D. our cobra. I am told it is possibly an Arntz car. Though the frame on our Cobra has 4" square tubing, a mustang vin #, jaguar rear differential. I have no paperwork for the car. Mustang II front suspension and the lower control arm is a cast iron lower control arm with a strut rod. I believe the one major factor to help I.D. the car is the front lower control arms. Any help would greatly be appreciated.
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Perhaps start by creating a stand alone thread of your own instead of resurrecting one that died in 2013
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12-10-2024, 05:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark papa
I am trying to I.D. our cobra. I am told it is possibly an Arntz car. Though the frame on our Cobra has 4" square tubing, a mustang vin #, jaguar rear differential. I have no paperwork for the car. Mustang II front suspension and the lower control arm is a cast iron lower control arm with a strut rod. I believe the one major factor to help I.D. the car is the front lower control arms. Any help would greatly be appreciated.
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Artnz/Butler never had Mustang II front suspensiom!
Last edited by Thor maine; 12-10-2024 at 06:20 AM..
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12-10-2024, 06:32 AM
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Location: Little Rock area,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA Street Roadster #782 with 459 cu in FE KC engine, toploader, 3.31
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I believe Arntz used 4”x3” frame rails.
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12-10-2024, 08:14 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Just a collection of parts right now...
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How about a Unique Motorcars Cobra? They used the MGB/Jaguar combo.
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12-18-2024, 01:31 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Unique Motorcars 289 USRRC, 1964 289 stroked to 331, toploader
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spl310
How about a Unique Motorcars Cobra? They used the MGB/Jaguar combo.
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Indeed they do! Do you have a factory serial number?
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Unique Motorcars 289 USRRC
1964 289 5-bolt block
Toploader and 3.31 rear
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12-21-2024, 09:58 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Golden Isles,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Butler Cobra. 350 Chevy Engine, blueprinted, heads cc'd, ported, polished, manifolds matched, big valves, 1.6 roller rockers, TB Injected, mild cam, MSD crank trigger electronic ignition. TKO-600 transmission. XKE Jaguar rear. IFS by Fast Cars
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If it's a Butler Racing Cobra you'll see a stamped serial number on the left front of the chassis. Here's a link to a photo of my Butler serial number.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SHdKUiTGUbMzS5kGA |
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