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Old 03-14-2011, 06:30 AM
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I think I can remember some 15 years ago when the Cobra club was a national body run by the South Australians --they had concerns about the future of ICVs (which is not just Cobras) and that they were trying to put together a representative force on behalf of Cobras to get some sensible stability towards ADRs for ICVs .
Then the national club disbanded and became independent state clubs --resulting in fragmentation -- of course the Gov,m't love fragmentation as they have no pulling power.
Gawd, you got a good memory.

And you are correct. The original Cobra club, for want of a better description, was actually incorporated in the Bolwell car club in SA. In 1993 it split from the Bolwell car club and incorporated the National Cobra Car Club.

Even back then the issue of registration was considered a PIA. This is why RMC applied for and was granted a "low Volume" manufacturer certification which allowed it to issue it's own Vin numbers.

Those vin numbers enabled easy registration as long as the car was built strictly to the RMC build manual. (which was not worth the paper it was printed on)
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:33 AM
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Rebel..... I think I've said what I wanted to say...and I don't see what can be gained by continuing the conversation.
Warren, One does not get off that light when one has called out another member. You wanted to dance ... well I'm not finished dancing yet!.

This is exactly what happened.
1. John did nominate a Queensland Co-ordinator for the lobby group.
2. That coordinator knew that I had the "ear" of some mid/top level bureaucrats at QT and requested if I could make some inquiries in an effort to open some doors.
3. Three QT meetings later that coordinator was invited to present a letter of intention to QT.
4. I understand that letter was received by QT on a Queensland Cobra Club letterhead.
5. The coordinator was furnished a QT contact to ascertain exactly the "mood" of QT for his own satisfaction.
6. Subsequent telephone conversation indicated a positive response from QT except they (QT) suggested they would only consider the issue if all Replica type cars were represented. ie. Not only cobras but clubman types and whatever other "replicas" were to be included in the new classification.

Now.... as to your, and others, suggestions of inclusion of manufacturers , DIPLOMACY, small active groups etc.,

7. A manufacturers meeting was called and held at DRB and attended by myself, Warrick Harrison, Don Pilling, Peter Ransom, and Scott Hampson was invited but unable to attend.

The purpose of this meeting was twofold. First they were the manufacturers and deserved to know in advance of proceedings prior to it being dropped in their laps. Secondly to convey some disturbing fears by QT with regard to future ICV issues and the possibility of exemptions being tightened.

8. I understand the meeting to which you referred was held at Scotties factory which went all pear shaped. I was OS at that time. Why and how it was allowed to go pearshape is unknown to me.

I had fulfilled what was asked of me. That was to open the door at QT ..... The responsibility of keeping the ball rolling fell to the State Coordinator and whoever else he recruited to the cause.

Sadly, as we now know, it all fell to pieces and here we are, some 5 years later and bluddy nothing has happened to ease the pain of registration. If you think Queensland will be exempt of the hassles being experienced in NSW then Warren, you have some surprises coming.

As to Queenslanders not getting behind the issue because they're able to register without too much difficulty is a bluddy poor excuse and indicative of the lack of concern for interstate cobra builders, or indeed the whole cobra movement.

I stand by my original comments that the states are responsible.
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:57 AM
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8. I understand the meeting to which you referred was held at Scotties factory which went all pear shaped. I was OS at that time. Why and how it was allowed to go pearshape is unknown to me.
I was at the 2nd QLD meeting as it was open to all interested people, not just manufacturers. At that stage I was just a club enthusiast with no agenda. My memory is a bit hazy of the exact details, but in my opinion with other groups present like clubbies etc, there were just too wide ranging issues, the clubmans have different issues to Cobras etc etc and there just wasn't enough common ground. The support and interest just wasn't there either considering the interest groups invited. There was only a handful of people there.

I gave my input and support and I know Don Pilling invested a lot of time and effort into it. So did a lot of others. It's all history now. And I thought this was long before Warren was President(no offence Warren).

As for the suggestion of piggybacking off the Street Rod regulations that John suggested in Snaketales all those years ago, I just can't see that as an approach that would work. ASRF woud fight us and I personally would not want their regulations as the design, construction and safety standards would be significantly poorer than we have now.

But the ASRF approach in being self regulating is a great idea. Set up a National organisation. Get financial members. Everyone that wants to register vehicles under the scheme must pay to support the scheme. This gives us a fighting fund and we would need to employ legal representation, take out insurance etc, so we would need funds. We would also need to make sure that all the state transport departments will accept the regulations without modification. And anyone that modifies a vehicle that no longer complies with the scheme gets treated with accordingly. This is just one approach that can work.
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Gawd, you got a good memory.

And you are correct. The original Cobra club, for want of a better description, was actually incorporated in the Bolwell car club in SA. In 1993 it split from the Bolwell car club and incorporated the National Cobra Car Club.

Even back then the issue of registration was considered a PIA. This is why RMC applied for and was granted a "low Volume" manufacturer certification which allowed it to issue it's own Vin numbers.

Those vin numbers enabled easy registration as long as the car was built strictly to the RMC build manual. (which was not worth the paper it was printed on)
What have I started here. Keep your powder dry boys. We are all on the same side and we don't need any 'Friendly Fire' injuries to evolve from this thread.

Les, I would be interested to hear more about RMC being classified as a "Low Volume Manufacturer". As you are aware, my car is an RMC and was built in strict accordance of their Build Manual. Can I still get a VIN number from them?


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Baz, that was a long time ago mate and the authorities have not recognised the RMC vin numbers for years.

But to answer your question. Back then, if you purchased an RMC kit you also received a Vin plate, embossed with a vin number, and a tyre placard. The Vin was issued I guess by the WA authorities in blocks and issued out by RMC.
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Baz, that was a long time ago mate and the authorities have not recognised the RMC vin numbers for years.

But to answer your question. Back then, if you purchased an RMC kit you also received a Vin plate, embossed with a vin number, and a tyre placard. The Vin was issued I guess by the WA authorities in blocks and issued out by RMC.
Bugger! Thanks all the same Les.

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