Cobras wanted for V8 Supercars Drivers Parade at Homebush.

[Gav]

I really enjoy the V8 supercars. They are evenly matched, producing close racing.
At the same time the muscle car racing is awesome, with different cars having advantages at different tracks.

But at the end of the day, if you don't like em', don't watch em'.

[Towmaster]

Originally Posted by Gav

I really enjoy the V8 supercars. They are evenly matched, producing close racing.
At the same time the muscle car racing is awesome, with different cars having advantages at different tracks.

But at the end of the day, if you don't like em', don't watch em'.

Yep! Correct! I was at Bathurst this year on the top of the mountain and there was no shortage of Holden and Ford supporters..

As I have said there are plenty of types of racing where Toyotas race against Nissan's and Audi's and BMW's and REx's and Evo's. There is only one series where V8's of the GM and Ford variety battle it out and that is the Cobra Nationals and Shelbyfest.......

[Dimis]

I find V8 supercar mostly redundant... Other than the badge there is little to nothing that keeps them relevant to today's production cars.

One of two things would need to happen before it attracts my attention.

1) Use the category to develop (young) local talent in automotive development. ie engineering, fabrication, drivers etc & then race cars that are more like what is produced & sold to consumers, rather than some highly modify vehicle with a badge on it.

&/or

2) Widen the race tracks...
With most tracks built many many years ago, today's cars have just out grown them, the cars are too big, too fast & too wide, producing boring racing.
It appears that most the corners on most the tracks have only 1 to 1.5 racing lines through them. With the cars so wide it makes passing impossible. I'm not interested in watching that. Widen the tracks so there are 2 and 3 racing line options, which should encourage some criss-cross overtaking, and some counter overtaking.

[Wazza]

I like the V8 Supercars because it is more about the driver.

i.e. The cars are almost the same and the Ford / Holden thing is a bit of fun....but the skills and heart of the better drivers show through.

My 2c worth.

Probably my favourite racing to watch on T.V. is the British Touring Car Champs....Geez they get stuck in.

Cheers,
Warren.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Wazza

I like the V8 Supercars because it is more about the driver.

i.e. The cars are almost the same and the Ford / Holden thing is a bit of fun....but the skills and heart of the better drivers show through.

My 2c worth.

Probably my favourite racing to watch on T.V. is the British Touring Car Champs....Geez they get stuck in.

Cheers,
Warren.

Warren,

I first started going to Bathurst back in the 60's when the Geoghegans, Muirs, Weldon's etc., were racing their early model Holdens around the Mountain. Watching Pete Geoghegan in the 'Black Knight' The Leaton Motors Team of Matich in the Lotus 15 and Chivas in the D Type Jag were untouchable. Then we had the Jags. Mini's, Galaxies, Monaros and Mustangs. Far more exciting to watch than present day saloon racing.

[Merv and Sharon]

Originally Posted by Baz

Warren,

I first started going to Bathurst back in the 60's when the Geoghegans, Muirs, Weldon's etc., were racing their early model Holdens around the Mountain. Watching Pete Geoghegan in the 'Black Knight' The Leaton Motors Team of Matich in the Lotus 15 and Chivas in the D Type Jag were untouchable.

I am beginning to suspect that it is a generational thing Baz. We may have to do with Goodwood and Classic Le Mans for variety ... Most these days have not really seen anything different from the self anointed 'Super cars' and the old Ford/Holden thing in Australia.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Merv and Sharon

I am beginning to suspect that it is a generational thing Baz. We may have to do with Goodwood and Classic Le Mans for variety ... Most these days have not really seen anything different from the self anointed 'Super cars' and the old Ford/Holden thing in Australia.

I feel sorry for those who haven't expeienced it Merv. They don't know what they missed.


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[Philm]

Baz,
Is the photo with the light green humpy at Catallina?

Phil

[Baz]

My point here is reinforced in Aussie Mikes Thread (See Super Car Question on this Forum - Episode 12 on You Tube) where Mark Dutton, Race Engineer for Holden talks on the engines used in the Holden V8 Supercars. The block used is from GM Motorsport and is not offered for sale to the general public. It can therefore be assumed that the engines used by Ford are also not available for sale to the general public. More than likely they are a product that are designed by the Ford Performance Racing Engineering Department.

How can they then say that a Cobra with a compliant LS GM 6 litre motor can't particpate in the Driver's Parade because it's not running a Ford engine?

I'm still scratching my head on this decision.

After watching Aussie Mikes 'You Tube' Thread on 'Super Car Question' I am now firmly convinced that the only thing Ford Falcons and Holden Commodores V8 Supercars possess in similarity with the original production vehicles are the body shapes and that's all.

[Tenrocca]

Baz, they dont give a F**k that you have a compliant engine. They wanted fords for the ford drivers parade. Yes, most people wouldnt know what was under the hood.

Scenario: Ford driver asks cobra driver what is under the hood, "overly boastful full of his own self importance and wants to crap on about stuff like what breed of cow was used to make his seats" cobra driver skites about having a holden. Ford driver feels a bit pissed off his parade car isnt even a Ford makes a bit of a fuss.

Yes it sucks if you are the driver described above, but it does make a bit of sense.

[BJ's Snake]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

Baz, they dont give a F**k that you have a compliant engine. They wanted fords for the ford drivers parade. Yes, most people wouldnt know what was under the hood.

Scenario: Ford driver asks cobra driver what is under the hood, "overly boastful full of his own self importance and wants to crap on about stuff like what breed of cow was used to make his seats" cobra driver skites about having a holden. Ford driver feels a bit pissed off his parade car isnt even a Ford makes a bit of a fuss.

Yes it sucks if you are the driver described above, but it does make a bit of sense.

Love your work Andrew
Cheers

[Merv and Sharon]

Great photos Baz and such a variety of cars. Is that a Milano? The one that looks like a Daytona?

[David Hodgson]

Looks like it is.



I think link is broke.

heres the path;
Bolly Blog: A Milano GT with a bit of history for sale.

[Aussie Mike]

Jason's Milano is tiny in real life. I can't physically fit into it even with the Gurney bubble. It's a neat thing with the engine bay chocka block full for Holden Grey motor.



Cheers

[boxhead]

Baz, I hope you dont mind, but I posted these pics on a Valiant website, one of the members is a retired race car photographer for Race Car News magazine, he was around from late 50's till mid 80's.

Here is what he remembers about the cars pictured.

A Milano GT Holden, possibly Bruce Leer, at Silverdale Hillclimb (I think it's Silverdale)

Erol Richardson, I believe, at the same hill. (Open wheeler)

A Datsun rally car at that hill too.

The back-to-front pic is the Leo Geoghegan Holden with Repco head, MG box and discs etc (Blach FX Back to front due to number on door, but another member has pointed out that only the number is backward - the NSW on rear quarter is correct, the exterior mirror is on drivers door & the rego sticker is in L/H corner)

Next is under the bonnet thereof.

Then there's the Sir Gawainne Baillie Galaxie through the Sandown Fence at the '64 Sandown 6-hour race (as punched through the stout timber by Lex Davison)

Ian Geoghegan's Mustang rear view exiting Suttons Corner at Oran Park, in colour heading out of the Oran Park Esses for that corner and finally, in the Esses at Bathurst.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by boxhead

Baz, I hope you dont mind, but I posted these pics on a Valiant website, one of the members is a retired race car photographer for Race Car News magazine, he was around from late 50's till mid 80's.

Here is what he remembers about the cars pictured.

A Milano GT Holden, possibly Bruce Leer, at Silverdale Hillclimb (I think it's Silverdale)

Erol Richardson, I believe, at the same hill. (Open wheeler)

A Datsun rally car at that hill too.

The back-to-front pic is the Leo Geoghegan Holden with Repco head, MG box and discs etc (Blach FX Back to front due to number on door, but another member has pointed out that only the number is backward - the NSW on rear quarter is correct, the exterior mirror is on drivers door & the rego sticker is in L/H corner)

Next is under the bonnet thereof.

Then there's the Sir Gawainne Baillie Galaxie through the Sandown Fence at the '64 Sandown 6-hour race (as punched through the stout timber by Lex Davison)

Ian Geoghegan's Mustang rear view exiting Suttons Corner at Oran Park, in colour heading out of the Oran Park Esses for that corner and finally, in the Esses at Bathurst.

Everything your mate says is correct Dave with the exception of the Milano's Owner / Driver. It was Dick Willis.

Baz

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Sure you only want Fords at Homebush? This is what it did to one today.

[boxhead]

That is normal for a Ford engine.

[Merv and Sharon]

Yeah but they get to run at Homebush.

[Tenrocca]

Run aground by the looks of that pic.