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Old 01-16-2014, 06:24 PM
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Default Active side pipes in Queensland

Hi Guy's can anyone tell me if active side pipes are legal in Queensland yet?
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PGR afaik no.
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Ron Ford is getting his new Daytona registered ( In Qld) with LIVE side pipes...and pretty sure Craig at Absolute Pace is proceeding with live pipes...so there must be a way, provided you meet certain sound requirements etc.

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Despite Ronny Copying my paint colour....I still think this will be the best Daytona ( Show car) in Australia...

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They've been legal in ALL STATES AND TERRITORIES since 2005. That was when the ADR changed.

Easy.

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Treeve I stand corrected.


Dunno what hoop I should have jumped through but in 2010 QLD Transport Purple Light Brigade wanted my live pipes removed and a defect notice applied and I was 1st registered in 2006. My live pipes came in 2008 so that's probably why in that I didn't start with them in the first place. Although all and sundry in 2008 said they were illegal up here in QLD anyway so I wouldn't have even known there was the option.

That 2005 rule is new to me/many up here?

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It's new to many because no-one seems to hold your registration authorities to account.

Go and tell Mercedes that their AMG G-class is illegal in QLD and see what happens.

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The advice my engineer gave me is that ADR's allow live side pipes, but QLD transport does not. Don't know how that works, but it's his job to know about these things so ill just do whatever I need to for registration.
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funny that, since I'm also a VSCCS certifying engineer in NSW.

ADRs mean Merc can sell a car in QLD like this but you can't?

Actually, if you read all the rules, you can, and have been able to since 2005. Sad but true.

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As his nylon pants were starting to melt as he was writing me the ticket I'm not sure it would have been a good time to tell him to refer the ADR's.

To be honest I burnt myself so many times and was worried about others doing it all the time they kinda lost their attractiveness.


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I run live sidepipes on my Dax Rush, and wouldn't swap them for the world. Plus they cost me a fortune. Regardless, If he was giving you a ticket, I'm sure a good words of "yes sir, thank you sir, I appreciate the ticket sir" always helps. Certainly more than arguing with the guy with the power to fine you. Best to sort it out after the fact when emotion can't get involved.

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Treeve, given they are legal from a simple "side pipe" perspective, please explain how it is "easy" to make side pipes on a 6+ litre Cobra quiet enough to be legal?
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Treeve, the main difference between a Benz and an ICV cobra running the same pipes is the missing federal compliance plate.
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Default Live side pipes

Thanks for the input Guys, Treeve where would I find this info, is there anyone in QLD transport that I could write to or ring to get positive info?
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Give David at DB Autotech Mod Plate Compliance a call.

He is a very busy Brisbane based engineer/certifier and knows ICVs like the back of his hand.

He has done cobras gt40s and clubmans.

Please let us know on the forum. I'd be keen to hear the official outcome and what's required to meet compliance and keep DOT happy.

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OK, fair enough.

The relevant legislation is here:

https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/L...OpRUVSSR10.pdf

This is a link to the Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 2010 Schedule 1.

so first up we have this statement:

1 Non-application of standards--inconsistent ADR requirements
A provision of parts 4 to 12 of these standards does not apply to a vehicle if--
(a) the provision is inconsistent with a requirement of a second or third edition ADR applying to the vehicle; and
(b) the vehicle complies with the requirement.

Then we have Part 9 (included in the above statement 'a') Division 2, Exhausts Systems (under 130). So if you comply with the requirements of the ADR, or the information included in this legislation is inconsistent with the requirement of the ADR, this standard does not apply.

this means we head over to the ADRs. Here is a good start:
ADR 42/04:
Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 42/04 - General Safety Requirements) 2005

Note that this ADR does not have any requirements for Category MA vehicles (or in the case of the AMG Mercedes a Category MC):

Mercedes-Benz Australia - Facts & Figures - G 63 AMG

So as part of their sales pitch: "AMG exhaust system with twin chrome-plated side-exiting tailpipes (left and right), oval and visible"

So this Benz falls in the category of the same legislatation, (Class MA and MC are both <4.5t GVM). Regardless of ICv status or not, the NCOP is a guideline, and the vehicle is compliant with the ADRs if you have live side pipes. QLD makes allowance for it under it's own legislation.

Just a thought.

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Wow that Daytona is nice! Anymore pics?

Correct me if I am wrong Treeve, but I believe that ADR 42 previously explicitly stated no left side exiting exhaust, but no longer does. Hence if you can meet noise and emissions requirements you comply.

Isn't there a general requirement in the reg that talks about being dangerous? I.e can burn?
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No mention of temperature, and you can still put your hand on a commodore exhaust if you're an idiot.

Previous versions of this ADR mention no left side, but that version went out in 2005.

Several motorcycles operate under this ADR with exposed headers that the rider can put their hands on and will be the first thing that impacts a pedestrian, with no heat shields or anything else.

You are over thinking it and coming up with things that don't exist. Make sure you comply with what is actually there and you'll be fine.

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Wow that Daytona is nice! Anymore pics?


Sure...here's a couple more Zedn.
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re: Keeping them quiet.

I've seen it done, and have certified a cobra that went through the drive by and static noise tests in NSW last year.

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I've seen it done, and have certified a cobra that went through the drive by and static noise tests in NSW last year.

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