Club Rego

[Rob. Smith]

Its a bit disturbing nowadays seeing so many american imports on club plates...one look at them and you can see many after market parts that aren't legal on roads in the USA. I agree with Treeve this "rort" will eventually bring the car enthusiasts down another notch !

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Rob. Smith

Its a bit disturbing nowadays seeing so many american imports on club plates...one look at them and you can see many after market parts that aren't legal on roads in the USA. I agree with Treeve this "rort" will eventually bring the car enthusiasts down another notch !

Sorry mate, I can't agree with your last point.

Clubs surly are held to account with regard what they sign off on.
If "they" "Rort" the system as you suggest, it will only bring heat in them and weed out "bad" clubs.
Can you imagine how a reputable club would respond to offending parties.
They'd boot them out which would renders their club rego useless.

This for mine is a good thing, with regard anything, not just car clubs. It servers to advance and improve things. I believe Darwin called it evolution.

I agree there are those who look for every avenue to abuse any systems, but pointing the finger at club rego does nothing to improve our hobby.
There is nothing wrong with the scheme itself, but more those individuals who chose to misrepresent it, and it's purpose.
No different to the countless who driving fully registered cars that are grossly unroadworthy.
Rob, you're a rubber man no? I'll try to relate to to terms you may best relate too... There are tyres and there are tyres.

Just saying...

[Treeve]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Sorry mate, I can't agree with your last point.

Clubs surly are held to account with regard what they sign off on.
If "they" "Rort" the system as you suggest, it will only bring heat in them and weed out "bad" clubs.
Can you imagine how a reputable club would respond to offending parties.
They'd boot them out which would renders their club rego useless.

This for mine is a good thing, with regard anything, not just car clubs. It servers to advance and improve things. I believe Darwin called it evolution.

I agree there are those who look for every avenue to abuse any systems, but pointing the finger at club rego does nothing to improve our hobby.
There is nothing wrong with the scheme itself, but more those individuals who chose to misrepresent it, and it's purpose.
No different to the countless who driving fully registered cars that are grossly unroadworthy.
Rob, you're a rubber man no? I'll try to relate to to terms you may best relate too... There are tyres and there are tyres.

Just saying...

You only need 8 people to form a club. If your club gets 'booted out' then someone else from your other 7 mates forms a club... and off we go again.

If you honestly believe that 8 random blokes who want to get around the system couldn't possibly exist, then you're deluded. Also, to think that these blokes would make sure their cars were all modified legally also seems to be a bit naive.

It won't root out the bad clubs, the authorities wouldn't be able to completely deal with who runs what clubs. The simplest solution for them is to cancel the club registration scheme - less paperwork all along. Remember the other fun part about dealing with government departments (or people in general with lots of authority and no responsibility): If they can say No to something to make their lives easier they will.

Your comment regarding a helmet making you safer also seems to be a bit blind too - there's figures to prove that helmets save lives. Hopefully the fact that it is legislated means you wear one, and although I hope you don't end up in an accident, if you do I hope it serves to protect you. Then perhaps you will learn the value of one. This comes back to my point about some lessons having to be learnt the hard way. I cracked three teeth before I learnt to wear a helmet.

Treeve

[Paintwerks]

I'm happy to fess up and admit that I am one of the 'Vics' that contacted Treeve recently to ask a question about the build of my Cobra. But the question simply was "Do I have to pad the dash?" if I am club registering.

At no point do I intend to build a car that compromises anything when it comes to safety. Re the dash...there are plenty of older cars driving around with painted metal dashboards. As Sambo mentioned, there are significant savings to Club Reg that means I am only paying for the times I use the car (<90 days a year), and that's what attracts me to the scheme.

I'm going with a current gen 2014 fuel injected engine so emissions standards will be met. The car will have all new parts everywhere.... ADR approved seatbelts, tyres, big Brembo brakes, windscreen wipers, demister etc. Also, the fact that I bought a Pace 427 is important as far as safety is concerned as AP have engineered the car to meet (but in most all cases, likely exceed) all relevant Australian standards. The Vic engineer I have talked to is happy with everything Craig has supplied him.

Yes, the car has to be inspected and a RWC obtained, and I will have full comprehensive insurance. And I will have the car's suspension setup by either TruTrack or Centreline....two of the best suspension places in Melbourne.

I guess what I wanted to say is that I am not interested in putting a 'ticking time bomb' onto the road where I stand the chance of injuring myself and/or others. Will I fully register the car first before it goes on Club Reg? Most likely not as I don't feel like paying hard-earned money for something I am not going to be able to fully use and get value from.

But throughout the build I will involve an engineer to make sure everything is properly built and setup.

[Dimis]

Paintwerks - I'm with you ^

But there are the over zealous types who believe that not having a dash pad IS a safety hazard!

Originally Posted by Paintwerks

At no point do I intend to build a car that compromises anything when it comes to safety.

They are the same guys who wont issue a 5 star ANCAP safety rating to cars that don't have bells and whistles to tell the driver to put his seat belt on. Oh brother!

They are also the same people who think NOT wearing a helmet while riding a bicycle is a unsafe. I've literally clocked as many km on my bike as I have my car. I've been knocked off my bike more times than I care to count (Luckily, through self preservation, I've avoided countless more silly drivers). Never, I mean categorically never has the helmet helped or taken any impact in any of my spills.

(NOW that I've said that some clown will knock me off and I'll land on my head - people will say... "See I told you so!" Karma for arguing the opposite. haha).


Treeve - I am naive, I don't know how it really works forming a club, but I have seven mates and we can't sign off on it. Don't you have to be affiliated with CAMS and other reputable bodies? Either way, not sure why taking aim at club rego.

There are plenty of larger genuine issues to take aim at regards automotive landscape and safety
The numerous unroadworthy cars that get around,
those who drive uninsured or those who issue bogus RWC certs.
Not to mention the clowns on mobile phones, etc etc...

[boxhead]

This is 100% correct, they exist and I have been asked if I wish to be a member in such clubs in both NSW and Victoria.

I am on Committee for local car club in Alice, we have approx 130 active members, of which there are about 80 cars on club plates (my Cobra and Valiant wagon included), As a club, we police this very heavily and if anything are "over the top" as we do not want to lose the club plate system, but in saying that, the club and plates have been around for 6 years now, and not a single member has been pulled up or asked to show log book at time of rego renewal.
So at the moment people could be "getting away with it" but we hope to pick up on any in our club.

I dropped full rego about 8 months ago on the Cobra ($920 in NT) and went to club plates, due to lack of use. I think I used it less than a dozen times last year. And with a planned paint job, I could not justify the extra cost ($90 for club plates) I did ring MVR in Darwin with concerns of what needed to go on full plates again, I was advised to re register in NT was as simple as applying again, with no time limit.
My car has been engineered.

Originally Posted by Treeve

You only need 8 people to form a club. If your club gets 'booted out' then someone else from your other 7 mates forms a club... and off we go again.

If you honestly believe that 8 random blokes who want to get around the system couldn't possibly exist, then you're deluded. Also, to think that these blokes would make sure their cars were all modified legally also seems to be a bit naive.

It won't root out the bad clubs, the authorities wouldn't be able to completely deal with who runs what clubs. The simplest solution for them is to cancel the club registration scheme - less paperwork all along. Remember the other fun part about dealing with government departments (or people in general with lots of authority and no responsibility): If they can say No to something to make their lives easier they will.

Your comment regarding a helmet making you safer also seems to be a bit blind too - there's figures to prove that helmets save lives. Hopefully the fact that it is legislated means you wear one, and although I hope you don't end up in an accident, if you do I hope it serves to protect you. Then perhaps you will learn the value of one. This comes back to my point about some lessons having to be learnt the hard way. I cracked three teeth before I learnt to wear a helmet.

Treeve

[Rob. Smith]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Sorry mate, I can't agree with your last point.

Clubs surly are held to account with regard what they sign off on.
If "they" "Rort" the system as you suggest, it will only bring heat in them and weed out "bad" clubs.
Can you imagine how a reputable club would respond to offending parties.
They'd boot them out which would renders their club rego useless.

This for mine is a good thing, with regard anything, not just car clubs. It servers to advance and improve things. I believe Darwin called it evolution.

I agree there are those who look for every avenue to abuse any systems, but pointing the finger at club rego does nothing to improve our hobby.
There is nothing wrong with the scheme itself, but more those individuals who chose to misrepresent it, and it's purpose.
No different to the countless who driving fully registered cars that are grossly unroadworthy.
Rob, you're a rubber man no? I'll try to relate to to terms you may best relate too... There are tyres and there are tyres.

Just saying...

No I'm not a rubber man...I'm an electrician that builds cars..ha ha What Treeve said ...small clubs that form just to get by the rules. I've seen this. I didn't clarify enough what I meant ...I go to "gatherings" like USA diner drive-ins and there are a lot of different cars there.. a lot have club plates with different mods.. they don't build these cars they just bring them in and use the easiest method to register them. I don't know how they get past the import regs. but they're here and on the road...this is definitely not good for the auto hobby.