Dyno run

[Plums]

Originally Posted by Rebel1

I'm going to tell you this short and sweet (your terms). If I spend money with any supplier then what I buy becomes my property. I have paid for all the "hard earned knowledge/IP" involved, within the price. From that time forward if I wish to take my car to another tuner then it is my perogative to do what I wish with who I wish.

This is the exact reason I ask the customer if they want it locked or not. If they do not want it locked, I just leave out some of my "secret stuff". If they want it locked, I will put everything in it. Generally, people get the programs locked so that the Holden dealer can't flash over it, (wipe the tune back to standard)...
If somebody had bought the software themselves to tune their own Cobra, I would leave it unlocked and even teach them how to fine tune it... In fact, I offered this to Aussie Mike and I think he will eventually get the software one day!!!

[boxhead]

Originally Posted by Plums

This is the exact reason I ask the customer if they want it locked or not. If they do not want it locked, I just leave out some of my "secret stuff". If they want it locked, I will put everything in it. Generally, people get the programs locked so that the Holden dealer can't flash over it, (wipe the tune back to standard)...
If somebody had bought the software themselves to tune their own Cobra, I would leave it unlocked and even teach them how to fine tune it... In fact, I offered this to Aussie Mike and I think he will eventually get the software one day!!!

And that is why I the customer am not happy.
I requested Vts off, and Maf gone, did not ask for any "secret stuff" but did advise requirement of being able to adjust later, this part of my request was ignored.

Please Bobby, dont think I am having a go at you personally, But if an end user buys a product they have every reason to expect full use of that product.

[Rebel1]

There appears to be some confusion in the use of the term "operating system" and some tuners claiming their tune is in fact a proprietary operating system.

Am I not correct in assuming that the various GM ECU's run an operating system developed by GM and deliberately coded to allow changes to "variables" and "tables" and therefore develop what can be called a custom tune?.

To me this is the same as this computer . I'd be pi$$ed off If I couldn't change the video settings, or serial port baud rate, or whatever I wanted after some techo-whizkid did an install. Indeed if I couldn't uninstall a software product when I found it un-satisfactory I'd be mighty pi$$ed .

[Aussie Mike]

Originally Posted by Plums

If somebody had bought the software themselves to tune their own Cobra, I would leave it unlocked and even teach them how to fine tune it... In fact, I offered this to Aussie Mike and I think he will eventually get the software one day!!!

I've sung Bobby's praises many times on this forum and via word of mouth (although I think my singing voice is better apreciated in print).

Bobby knew I was a compulsive modifier/tinkerer from the start and locking the ECU was definitely brought up during our tune discussions. Bobby knew I would want to modify the thing later and knew I would probably want to have a play with the tuning myself one day so he left the ECU unlocked. He has always been forthcoming with useful tuning knowledge. I know when I do have a go myself he'll bee there to help.

Yes, one day I'll buy the tuning software and mess around with it myself but to date Bobby has done such a good job with his mailorder tune I haven't needed to.

Unfortunately LS1 tuning has become a bit of a comodity amongst the big shops. They figure a tune up is like bolting on another accessory. It's easy money since the tune from one car is going to be much like another. All the work and development was done on the first few cars and the rest is money for Jam. More power to them if you can make money. This aproach might be fine for the guy in the street with an SS Commodore but Cobras are a bit different.

Most Cobra owners are a bit more mechanically and technically savvy than the average commodore punter. Cars are often hand built by their owners with careful selection or fabrication of components. With that in mind you are best to hook up with a tuner that will work with you to get the best from you car. Someone like Bobby.

I think Daniel at Chipmaster has shown a keen interest in keeping the LS1 tune as a comodity rather than a service.

I also think the LS1.com.au forum has shown a keen interest in keeping its sponsors happy.

Cheers