ESC mandatory

[Zedn]

Got the latest issue of Kitcar mag today, and we got a good amount of coverage for this issue. Robert even slipped a note in with the mag that was a summary of an email i sent him to tell everyone to send off emails.

Thanks Kit Car Magazine!

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Zedn

Got the latest issue of Kitcar mag today, and we got a good amount of coverage for this issue. Robert even slipped a note in with the mag that was a summary of an email i sent him to tell everyone to send off emails.

Thanks Kit Car Magazine!

I certtainly agree. Well done Robert Jacobs. Liam... I received the same response.

Baz

[Zedn]

Just to provide an update, here is the latest from Robert Hogan:

Dear Mr Hogan,

Thankyou for the response to my previous email regarding ESC. As per your response below, I am anxiously awaiting to hear the outcome of the meeting held last week. Did the Board reach any conclusions about the possibility for exclusions to this requirement?

Thanks in advance.

Liam

The Board still has this matter under consideration but agreed that, until it develops a joint position, queries should be directed to individual states and territories which have regulatory responsibility for ICVs.

Regards

Robert

Looks like its going to be up to each state.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Zedn

Just to provide an update, here is the latest from Robert Hogan:






Looks like its going to be up to each state.

Great, Our brand new Premier, Christine Kneally should know all about ESC in ICV's.

Baz

[Modena]

I have also been in correspondence with Mr Hogan, and received similar feedback, add to that he doesn't think any federal ruling will ever be published, and we should direct enquiries to state authorities.

I guess it will be state-based case-by-case until they get sick of having people call, and then hopefully they will publish a state ruling.

[Zedn]

Unfortunately you are correct. It seems no one is willing to make a blanket decision so they just pass the buck. I think the fact that it isnt actually in force yet makes it difficult for us to talk with state leaders about it as they can't make amendments to federal legislation, only grant case by case exceptions (correct me if i am wrong).

Really all we can do is wait till the Vic boys start having to deal with it Jan 2011 and get behind them anyway we can to set a precendance for other states.

Currently i am on track to be ready for rego around June 2011 so i am hoping to scrape through. However, given the stupid amount of time the rego process seems to take, 5 months may not be enough for me.

Unfortunately at this stage ESC seems like it could go either way.

Liam

[Rob. Smith]

Zedn,
You may have to take my strategy and just assemble the vehicle, get it registered and then rebuild it pretty. My vehicle passed rego (in NSW) with the body in bare gellcoat white with bog repairs, the chassis in black and bare welds, landrover indicators and brake lights, no windscreen, a flat black painted dash and gauges. All the bright work was painted black and it had an anemic exhaust system to pass noise. Altogether a very ugly car but it passed and now I am doing it right. Happy in the knowledge that the car doesn't need to meet any more of the RTA's illogical and unreasonable demands.

[Zedn]

Hi Rob,

Yeah, that is my current plan. I am painting all the suspension, brakes and chassis nice but body and interior apart from the basics will be done after rego. I have just about finished the suspension and brakes, then will be placing the order for the wheels in about three weeks. I will then get the steering sorted and I plan to buy the engine and gearbox with my tax return in July. Hopefully will be ready for rego early to mid 2011.

I am doing the body and interior myself, so if i find myself with spare time whilst saving for parts i may get some of this done.

What did you do for a windscreen for rego? Just perspex? If there is no windsceen then you dont need wipers, or demister correct? Sounds interesting, i read somewhere some others did the same.

Liam

[Rob. Smith]

Originally Posted by Zedn

Hi Rob,

Yeah, that is my current plan. I am painting all the suspension, brakes and chassis nice but body and interior apart from the basics will be done after rego. I have just about finished the suspension and brakes, then will be placing the order for the wheels in about three weeks. I will then get the steering sorted and I plan to buy the engine and gearbox with my tax return in July. Hopefully will be ready for rego early to mid 2011.

I am doing the body and interior myself, so if i find myself with spare time whilst saving for parts i may get some of this done.

What did you do for a windscreen for rego? Just perspex? If there is no windsceen then you dont need wipers, or demister correct? Sounds interesting, i read somewhere some others did the same.

Liam

Exactly what you said....First. I had to beat a deadline. That deadline was to beat the new emissions rules. I had exactly 20 months to build and register the car. I did it. My engineer said that if I register it without a windscreen, I won't have any trouble with spectral gloss, wipers (3) and most importantly the demister system. There was no windscreen at all. Very uncomfortable. Not like a motor bike. The wind just blasts you. It left pressure marks on my face from my sunnies. Once the car is complete I can re engineer it with the proper specifications. As I said before this was one ugly cobra.

[boxhead]

Hi there Liam,

I have an aero screen that I made for rego purposes, In the NT the definition of an aero screen is one that when seated in the drivers seat you are looking over the top of it.
I think some States class it by its height.
Here is a pic of my car last Monday (when I started preparing for engineers report).


And here it is by Tuesday or Wednesday night with aero screen in place.


And here it is at the 2008 Nationals with mirrors in place.


This aero acreen mounts from the full size screen mounts and allows me to fit the side mirrors to the uprights, giving me a good view over the rear wheel arch humps.
And because it is only perspex, I have built a curve into it and fitted a rubber seal along lower edge, so the screen follows the same arc as the full size screen

Originally Posted by Zedn

Hi Rob,

Yeah, that is my current plan. I am painting all the suspension, brakes and chassis nice but body and interior apart from the basics will be done after rego. I have just about finished the suspension and brakes, then will be placing the order for the wheels in about three weeks. I will then get the steering sorted and I plan to buy the engine and gearbox with my tax return in July. Hopefully will be ready for rego early to mid 2011.

I am doing the body and interior myself, so if i find myself with spare time whilst saving for parts i may get some of this done.

What did you do for a windscreen for rego? Just perspex? If there is no windsceen then you dont need wipers, or demister correct? Sounds interesting, i read somewhere some others did the same.

Liam

[Rob. Smith]

In NSW if you put any windscreen there it has to have all the bits...wipers, demister, visors and no spectral gloss.

[just dreamin]

Unfortunately you are correct. It seems no one is willing to make a blanket decision so they just pass the buck. I think the fact that it isnt actually in force yet makes it difficult for us to talk with state leaders about it as they can't make amendments to federal legislation, only grant case by case exceptions (correct me if i am wrong).
Really all we can do is wait till the Vic boys start having to deal with it Jan 2011 and get behind them anyway we can to set a precendance for other states.

Hi Zedn, can I take up your invite and make a few suggestions: We can and should be talking to state leaders on this subject and not wait until 2011. We should not be doing it on an individual basis as it is ineffective. Approaches should be formal, on club letterhead from elected officers doing exactly as Mr Robert Hogan points out to do, using this as a reference point. To wait until the horse has bolted is too late and it will be pointed out that the club had every opportunity to put its case before the legislation came into effect but failed to do so. Of course this should be done on a national basis in a coordinated time frame or else the old divide and conquer strategy will be used. I know from experience they will use the state issue as a stalling tactic. If you agree notify your state committees in all states to start the process.

[Zedn]

Just dreaming, i appreciate your support.

I agree with you, but all previous attempts have fallen over as you can read through the history brought up on this thread. Until they actually stop cars being registered people will lack motivation.

However, all is not lost. I believe i have figured out a solution if all else fails. I have a contingency if i dont get the car built in time. I will let everyone know when the time comes. I dont know if i am correct but if i am new cobras will be rather different. Hehehe (evil laugh).

[sjelby]

Hi all.
Has there been any thing new in the last 12 mths?
Hows yours coming along Liam?
Stan.