ESC mandatory

Merv and Sharon · #1 (**permalink**) 11-11-2009, 01:29 AM

That was one of the ones I was referring to Geoff. I was wondering if that was an option for some manufacturers and whether they would be affected by the impending rule changes (ESP, etc)? From what Craig has said this is an area that he and others have considered.

Merv

Krait · #2 (**permalink**) 11-11-2009, 09:03 AM

Merv,

Peter Gillard owns Chamonix Australia and is also an approved NSW RTA engineer, guess he knows what is going on.

Cheers

martrogers · #3 (**permalink**) 11-12-2009, 02:44 AM

Success, a reply from Anthony Albanese (or rather Stephen Spencer, Acting General Mgr, Vehicle Safety Standards, on his behalf).

Meat of the letter is:

"The primary focus of your letter appears to be on kit cars that are built as ICVs for personal use. ICVs are regulated by the states and territories.The Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government (the Department) will raise the issue of ESC requirements for such vehicles at the next meeting of the Australian Motor Vehicle Certification Board on 25 November 2009 and provide you with further advice. The Board comprises the Department and territory registration authorities.

Commonwealth certification arrangements apply to vehicles supplied commercially in limited numbers. While no consideration is currently being given to exemptions from ESC requirements, it is open to low volume manufacturers to provide the Department with more details of their cases. The contact is Mr Robert Hogan, the Administrator of Vehicle Standards, on email robert.hogan@infrastructure.gov.au"

So, anyone who has an interest in this issue should probably drop Mr Hogan an email before their meeting. Those who think "she'll be right" should note the last para...

Zedn · #4 (**permalink**) 11-12-2009, 03:00 AM

Martin,

This is a great bit of progress!

Lets all get emails off to Robert Hogan, now is the time to let them know we exist!

Great work Martin!

Rebel1 · #5 (**permalink**) 11-12-2009, 03:06 AM

My email will be off tonight.

We also need to spread the word to as many members as possible.

Zedn · #6 (**permalink**) 11-12-2009, 03:12 AM

I just emailed Robert at kitcar magazine to see if he can help. They are printing at the moment so with any luck we can get a note in with the subscriptions.

Liam

400TT · #7 (**permalink**) 11-12-2009, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martrogers

Success, a reply from Anthony Albanese (or rather Stephen Spencer, Acting General Mgr, Vehicle Safety Standards, on his behalf).

Meat of the letter is:

"The primary focus of your letter appears to be on kit cars that are built as ICVs for personal use. ICVs are regulated by the states and territories.The Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government (the Department) will raise the issue of ESC requirements for such vehicles at the next meeting of the Australian Motor Vehicle Certification Board on 25 November 2009 and provide you with further advice. The Board comprises the Department and territory registration authorities.

Commonwealth certification arrangements apply to vehicles supplied commercially in limited numbers. While no consideration is currently being given to exemptions from ESC requirements, it is open to low volume manufacturers to provide the Department with more details of their cases. The contact is Mr Robert Hogan, the Administrator of Vehicle Standards, on email robert.hogan@infrastructure.gov.au"

So, anyone who has an interest in this issue should probably drop Mr Hogan an email before their meeting. Those who think "she'll be right" should note the last para...

Great work.

But this does outline the real problem. It really doesn't matter what the Commonwealth decides as the states and territories can overrule and do so. So a particular state can mandate extra requirements such as ESC even if it is not a National requirement. Just have a look at the rules now, each state asks for extra requirements and those extra requirements are different in each state. Just the way ICV regulations currently work.

martrogers · #8 (**permalink**) 11-13-2009, 01:39 AM

I'm no expert here but it says "The Board comprises the Department and territory registration authorities."

Surely it is worthwhile trying to influence these guys as early in the process as possible? How hard can it be to send an email?

400TT · #9 (**permalink**) 11-13-2009, 02:43 AM

Sure doesn't hurt to send an email.

But I'm just letting you know because even if they decide against it for ICV's at this meeting, doesn't mean it's over. Any state can decide at any stage if they want to incorporate ESC for ICV's. And can do without any notice.

Just making sure everyones eyes are open to how the current system works.