Newbie with Backdraft Interest

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by Ace23

Did Ford or Jon Lund every re-establish the ghost tunes or are they still not suppose to be doing those? I hear and see a lot of coyotes with that being done. The cars sound like normal mod motors when cruising in your Youtube videos I just am curious to see how they sound idling......something about not having an H-pipe or traditional mustang exhaust makes you imagine that would sound funny. Are you doing Coyote swaps only or have you done any swaps using 03-04 terminator 4.6 4V's. With either mod motor I'm thinking the end game would be to have a blower but the terminator engines may make more tq down low than would be desired

The Terminator motors use a lot of unique parts and are becoming costly to build. The Coyote can put out the same power with a blower. Our tuning is all done by Lund now, we have the Ghost Cam in every handheld but you give up power and drive ability with it so we do not set the cars up that way for delivery.

There's atleast one post on this forum with video of the ghost cam tune running on a Backdraft...

[Sunny66]

Originally Posted by Cashburn

The Terminator motors use a lot of unique parts and are becoming costly to build. The Coyote can put out the same power with a blower. Our tuning is all done by Lund now, we have the Ghost Cam in every handheld but you give up power and drive ability with it so we do not set the cars up that way for delivery.

There's atleast one post on this forum with video of the ghost cam tune running on a Backdraft...

Thought I'd chime in here, as I had initially contacted Lund about installing the Ghost Tune for the build of my BDR #1234 with Coyote in S. Florida last June. I wanted the reliability of the Coyote with the lopey idle "cam" sound of an old school engine. Here is my real world impression of the tune...

Sounds awesome at idle. However, as Jay indicates, there are "drive ability" issues. Namely, it will stumble and backfire something nasty when driving and more importantly, it WILL stall out quite a bit (had some close calls on the road with this!). Upon contacting Lund, and only after the fact, he mentions that the ghost tune is not really meant for real world driving, more for just shows (would have been nice if he stated this before we installed it!). As a result, I pretty much now just keep it in the regular tune and switch it to the Ghost tune when I feel like turning some heads Point of note...if you do go for the tune, make sure you have a manual fuel pump shutoff switch installed. The tune download requires "key on" for quite some time which always drained my battery. Needed to jump start after every download until I got the switch installed.

Jay, as I understand from Reg that you guys are working a lot with Lund these days, have you gotten him to improve these drive ability characteristics at all? Seems like he just needed some prodding to invest the time to improve the tune. Would be great to be able to drive more reliably in Ghost Tune mode.

Feel free to contact me with any questions on this.

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by Sunny66

Thought I'd chime in here, as I had initially contacted Lund about installing the Ghost Tune for the build of my BDR #1234 with Coyote in S. Florida last June. I wanted the reliability of the Coyote with the lopey idle "cam" sound of an old school engine. Here is my real world impression of the tune...

Sounds awesome at idle. However, as Jay indicates, there are "drive ability" issues. Namely, it will stumble and backfire something nasty when driving and more importantly, it WILL stall out quite a bit (had some close calls on the road with this!). Upon contacting Lund, and only after the fact, he mentions that the ghost tune is not really meant for real world driving, more for just shows (would have been nice if he stated this before we installed it!). As a result, I pretty much now just keep it in the regular tune and switch it to the Ghost tune when I feel like turning some heads Point of note...if you do go for the tune, make sure you have a manual fuel pump shutoff switch installed. The tune download requires "key on" for quite some time which always drained my battery. Needed to jump start after every download until I got the switch installed.

Jay, as I understand from Reg that you guys are working a lot with Lund these days, have you gotten him to improve these drive ability characteristics at all? Seems like he just needed some prodding to invest the time to improve the tune. Would be great to be able to drive more reliably in Ghost Tune mode.

Feel free to contact me with any questions on this.

Here's where our approach is unique, every single coyote car we deliver is uniquely tuned by Lund on our Dynojet. Let me type that again... Every Coyote car we deliver now is run on our Dynojet with a base tune and then tweeked and retuned by Lund.

We now have a priceless library of results on the chassis dyno in these cars and it's paying off.

The Cobra oval air cleaner eats 50rwhp or more, the Roush oval air cleaner eats 40rwhp, the small block BDR factory headers will not support over 500rwhp, the drivetrain loss of a tremec in a BDR is below 15%...

We are now entering the modified Coyote realm with some new builds. Hold on...

[Sunny66]

Originally Posted by Cashburn

Here's where our approach is unique, every single coyote car we deliver is uniquely tuned by Lund on our Dynojet. Let me type that again... Every Coyote car we deliver now is run on our Dynojet with a base tune and then tweeked and retuned by Lund.

We now have a priceless library of results on the chassis dyno in these cars and it's paying off.

The Cobra oval air cleaner eats 50rwhp or more, the Roush oval air cleaner eats 40rwhp, the small block BDR factory headers will not support over 500rwhp, the drivetrain loss of a tremec in a BDR is below 15%...

We are now entering the modified Coyote realm with some new builds. Hold on...

Thats great to hear. Have you been able to eliminate the stalling and excessive backfire when in Ghost Tune? If so, are you able to pass this info
to Reg down here in FL so that my car can be set up to run better?

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by Sunny66

Thats great to hear. Have you been able to eliminate the stalling and excessive backfire when in Ghost Tune? If so, are you able to pass this info
to Reg down here in FL so that my car can be set up to run better?

We are not supporting the ghost tune.

[lovehamr]

Originally Posted by Cashburn

We are not supporting the ghost tune.

So what you're saying is that you won't intentionally make it run like crap?

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by lovehamr

So what you're saying is that you won't intentionally make it run like crap?

Are you saying your big block runs like crap?

[Ace23]

Originally Posted by Cashburn

Here's where our approach is unique, every single coyote car we deliver is uniquely tuned by Lund on our Dynojet. Let me type that again... Every Coyote car we deliver now is run on our Dynojet with a base tune and then tweeked and retuned by Lund.

We now have a priceless library of results on the chassis dyno in these cars and it's paying off.

The Cobra oval air cleaner eats 50rwhp or more, the Roush oval air cleaner eats 40rwhp, the small block BDR factory headers will not support over 500rwhp, the drivetrain loss of a tremec in a BDR is below 15%...

We are now entering the modified Coyote realm with some new builds. Hold on...

Glad to hear your are going down the road of a performance shop. The ONLY way to do this correctly and provide each coyote equipped car as refined as you can is do provide a tune per car. The whole idea of a "generic map" for every coyote car is ridiculous. I'm understand the need for base maps to get tune started but each car needs its own tune to be the best it can be. Is Jon Lund tuning remotely for you or does he come to your shop? I know he in the North East I just wasn't sure. The tests that your are running and the library of all the effects are going to be tremendous for specifying future builds for your customers. When using the forged coyote crate motors are you guys turning up the boost on 93 octane? I noticed some of your videos were appearing to be putting down about 550rwhp.....not that its needed but I was thinking you probably aren't leaning on the blown coyote builds to hard considering they can put down 700+rwhp on pump gas in mustangs. Not sure if it was a drivetrain restriction or what. Congrats and keep up the great work. Looking forward to seeing a BDR coyote seems like an awful hard combo to beat for turnkey performance and efficiency / reliability.