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01-05-2010, 01:01 AM
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Thinking of a Triton V10 cobra, yea or nay?
Hello, my name is Corbin and I will hopefully soon begin a build of a Cobra, and I have this crazy idea about modifying a 3 valve 6.8 (414 for you old people  ) Triton V10 and dropping it in. After doing a bit of searching, I have surmised that it isn't much heavier if at all than an iron block 427FE, and after looking through some youtube videos it seems that this V10 manages to make a pretty badass sound 
My concerns are that even with work done (valvetrain, porting, lighter rotating assembly, etc.) it won't flow enough or rev enough to be an inspiring motor, which would be rather disappointing. I have done quite a bit of searching, and I can't seem to find anyone who has done this swap, am I missing some obvious flaw in the plan? 
Any advice would be appreciated, and I also have no idea what transmission would bolt up to the V10, but there must be one...
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01-05-2010, 01:29 AM
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You are correct in your assumption. It it a TRUCK motor. Respond accordingly.
Oh! almost forgot ...maybe an Allison Trans would bolt up?
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01-05-2010, 06:28 AM
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Hi
There is a Cobra in the Bay Area thats got a Triton V10 fitted. Dont know anymore details.
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01-05-2010, 06:32 AM
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How about a Viper motor........it would look great and give plenty of performance.
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01-05-2010, 06:37 AM
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Emerson Motor sports built one a few years ago with a Triton V-10 for some guy. He had to do a lot of fabrication work to get everything to fit under the hood. Contact him and see what he says and if you think the work is worth the gain. I do remember the very small valves in that thing.
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01-05-2010, 08:37 AM
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If you are looking for something different than can make a fair bit of power (be inspiring), looks good and has options and parts available, try a Toyota V-8. There are some hot ones in Australia and a few in the UK. There are some go-fast goodies sold here in the US to make plenty of power.
http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/s...9/ppuser/19657
try this link to see a shot of one from a Lexus, believe its a 4.0
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01-05-2010, 08:42 AM
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I think Double Venom here has dropped a Viper motor in at least one CR. You may want to chat with him.
Isn't the V 10 the same configuration as the 4.6 and the 5.4?
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01-05-2010, 10:38 AM
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Thank you everyone for your replies! I never knew there could be such a helpful forum on the internet...
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How about a Viper motor........it would look great and give plenty of performance.
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Call me picky but I read in another thread that the viper engine "sounds like a triumph humping a volkswagen" and from what i've seen this is true. It also seems to be pretty expensive, though after mods a triton also might be...
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He had to do a lot of fabrication work to get everything to fit under the hood.
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If this is true I'll be quite put off, but I read on one of the factory five faq type pages that their kit was designed to fit the V10. Thanks for the lead, I'll definitely call Emerson.
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If you are looking for something different than can make a fair bit of power (be inspiring), looks good and has options and parts available, try a Toyota V-8. There are some hot ones in Australia and a few in the UK. There are some go-fast goodies sold here in the US to make plenty of power.
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That's quite an interesting idea, but I would be worried about low end grunt, and it would make more sense to use a 5.4 in my mind, but I sure would like to use that 4.0 V8 in a Caterham type of thing, it would be insane!
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Isn't the V 10 the same configuration as the 4.6 and the 5.4?
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The V10 is the 5.4 with two extra cylinders cast on the end, 362 hp and 457 lb-ft stock for the 3 valve.
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01-05-2010, 10:51 AM
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Big motor!
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01-05-2010, 06:06 PM
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But according to factory five, it will fit, and i just read that all v10s come with a forged crank, oh goody.
http://www.ffcobra.com/FAQ/46Lmotor.html
At least I think they mean it will fit, unless they were just talking about it...
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01-05-2010, 10:23 PM
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My brother-in-law broke the crank on his v10 around 80 thousand miles,had it replaced and now has 250 thousand on it
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08-16-2010, 01:17 PM
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Triton V10 = dog
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08-16-2010, 08:20 PM
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I understand the odd (read terrible) sound of a viper is caused by the firing of 2 cylinders @ the same time--Hence it sounds like a 5 cyl. 
Just what I have heard, no personal experience with a viper.
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01-05-2010, 11:03 AM
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It's a V10, they all sound like UPS trucks. The Viper V10 sounds weird because you usually hear them through sidepipes.
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01-05-2010, 11:13 AM
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Titon V-10
One of the FFR guys dropped a BMW V-12 with twin turbos. Kept the motor stock.
Looks and sounds great.
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01-05-2010, 06:00 PM
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It's a V10, they all sound like UPS trucks. The Viper V10 sounds weird because you usually hear them through sidepipes.
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One would think so, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyMnFnYU8s4
I read on wikipedia that this has to do with firing order, and that the split pin crank design of the ford v10 means it sounds pretty good, though i also read that split pins make for a weaker crank
Edit: According to FFR, all V10s came with a forged crank, so perhaps it's not so bad...
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01-06-2010, 08:34 AM
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It's a V10, they all sound like UPS trucks. The Viper V10 sounds weird because you usually hear them through sidepipes.
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X2. They are fast, but wow is there exhaust note unimpressive. Sounds exactly like a UPS truck coming out of the side pipes. Totally turned me off of V10s if they are all like that.
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It's a V10, they all sound like UPS trucks. The Viper V10 sounds weird because you usually hear them through sidepipes.
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I've been told the odd sound of a Viper, which even the best aftermarket exhaust can't help much, is because of their odd firing order. It's unique, sure. But I've never had a Viper rip past me and impress me with its motor sound.
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It's a truck motor as noted above. Not made for high RPM. It's a perfect motor if you have a 4X4 quad cab and want to pull a trailer. Lots of low end torque but in a stock configuration I don't think it will even spin over 5000 RPM. My brother pulls a trailer with his and can hold the speed limit up the hills as he's passing motorhomes.
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01-05-2010, 03:46 PM
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My concerns would be parts and maintenance in the future.
Ford is dropping the V10 from production, don't know how long it was produced, but not long, or in much quantity in the grand scheme of things.
Lot of work, special parts, no future. I imagine everyone will ask "what is it", even today. Personally, I don't think it's a good looking engine. I'd go FE or SBF.
And what's the point of mountains of torque in a 2,000 pound Cobra? Are you going to be towing a 28' enclosed trailer behind it with the F-150 inside?
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