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Old 12-01-2021, 04:22 PM
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Why the open animosity?
I at least put a smiley on some of my sceptical statements.

I go back and forth on which way I think about this and I have proposed scenarios that could have your father owning the car that fit in with the paperwork we have seen. It seems that if there is anything that contradicts your memories that you tend to think that a forgery or a hoax is involved. You seem quick to suggest that Muth Ford could be photoshopped on those pictures if it does not fit your memory, so if there is a newspaper article that contradicts your memories, would you think the newspaper article is some sort of hoax as well?

I may check out the newspapers.com site, but it looks like I have to sign up for a free trial to do so. I get enough junk email already without signing up for a free trial to some website.

So if there is a newspaper article from April of 1963 that says that CSX2049 was Al Abidin's car, would that contradict your memory of the situation? It seems that you don't think the Abidin family ever had anything to do with the car. Is it possible that you father purchased the car from the Abidin family sometime between April and August of 1963? At what date in 1963 do you think your father acquired the car? Would that date contradict the April 1963 newspaper article or not?
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I at least put a smiley on some of my sceptical statements.

I go back and forth on which way I think about this and I have proposed scenarios that could have your father owning the car that fit in with the paperwork we have seen. It seems that if there is anything that contradicts your memories that you tend to think that a forgery or a hoax is envolved. You seem quick to suggest that Muth Ford could be photoshopped on those pictures if it does not fit your memory, so if there is a newspaper article that contradicts your memories, would you think the newspaper article is some sort of hoax as well?

I may check out the newspapers.com site, but it looks like I have to sign up for a free trial to do so. I get enough junk email already without signing up for a free trial to some website.

So if there is a newspaper article from April of 1963 that says that CSX2049 was Al Abidin's car, would that contradict your memory of the situation? It seems that you don't think the Abidin family ever had anything to do with the car. Is it possible that you father purchased the car from the Abidin family sometime between April and August of 1963? At what date in 1963 do you think your father acquired the car? Would that date contradict the April 1963 newspaper article or not?
I have no problem with Abidin ownership prior to Paul's first Cobra entry at Cotati 7/27/1963 the car is listed as #246. My quest is after that date wherein there is not one reference ever to Abidin, Nada!
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I have no problem with Abidin ownership prior to Paul's first Cobra entry at Cotati 7/27/1963 the car is listed as #246. My quest is after that date wherein there is not one reference ever to Abidin, Nada!
If there's a concession that Al Abidin owned 2049 prior to 7/27/'63, and now there's a document implying (strongly) that he still owned what was left of it in 1967, does that put the main topic of this thread - Paul Cunningham's ownership - to rest?
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I at least put a smiley on some of my sceptical statements.

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I may check out the newspapers.com site, but it looks like I have to sign up for a free trial to do so. I get enough junk email already without signing up for a free trial to some website.

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Oh man! I have to give them a credit card number for my free trail. Cancel in 7 days to avoid the $74.90 annual fee!

Would I be an idiot to sign up? I guess I am that idiot.

Alright, I didn't read all the fine print. There was something about copyright in there. Maybe it is not a good idea to just put up screen shots of the newspaper page on the internet.
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Oh man! I have to give them a credit card number for my free trail. Cancel in 7 days to avoid the $74.90 annual fee!

Would I be an idiot to sign up? I guess I am that idiot.

Alright, I didn't read all the fine print. There was something about copyright in there. Maybe it is not a good idea to just put up screen shots of the newspaper page on the internet.
OK. I was going to just make this image available temporarily, but I went back and looked over the newspapers.com website and apparently, it is ok to search, clip and share things that you find. There are options to download images. So I think it is fine that I leave this image of the newspaper page here.


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