Cal epa has gone too f&f*$ far.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by lippy

The article I cited is from March 2013, but that doesn't change the fact (from the census) that, as a trend, over a period of years (not just one), people and businesses have moved from CA for several clear reasons, including high costs and regulation.

You cited six links. The one from 9-10 months ago (which is based research that is even older) states "Over the past two decades, a net 3.4 million people have moved out of California for other states. But contrary to conservative lore, there has been no millionaires' march to Texas or other states with no income tax. In fact, since 2005 California has experienced a net in-migration of households earning more than $200,000, according to the U.S. Census's American Community Survey."

Have you seen a chart of the CA population? It's a direct line upwards exponentially. We're the most populous state. People will come and go all the time. But the fact of the matter is that we continue to grow. From 2010-2012, we grew 2.1%. The USA grew 1.7% in total.

[lippy]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Have you seen a chart of the CA population? It's a direct line upwards exponentially. We're the most populous state. People will come and go all the time. But the fact of the matter is that we continue to grow. From 2010-2012, we grew 2.1%. The USA grew 1.7% in total.

First, CA population is not growing exponentially or anywhere near it. Second, domestic migration has been negative in CA in most years, and in aggregate, for the past two decades. That has been offset by foreign migration (including illegal). But of people that move from state to state, more people are moving out of CA than in. That is according to the US Census, so I count it as a fact. Enough of this, and more about the original point of the thread.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

You cited six links. The one from 9-10 months ago (which is based research that is even older) states "Over the past two decades, a net 3.4 million people have moved out of California for other states. But contrary to conservative lore, there has been no millionaires' march to Texas or other states with no income tax. In fact, since 2005 California has experienced a net in-migration of households earning more than $200,000, according to the U.S. Census's American Community Survey."

Have you seen a chart of the CA population? It's a direct line upwards exponentially. We're the most populous state. People will come and go all the time. But the fact of the matter is that we continue to grow. From 2010-2012, we grew 2.1%. The USA grew 1.7% in total.

California has become a whipping boy for a segment of our society .... you are ruining a good story with your damn facts....

[1985 CCX]

I love California but if it means I am in an electric car I would avoid moving there. Already a poor place to do business, chemical that is, MFG is a solid base for the economy and I know of business leaving CA because of the red tape.

I know the owner is a well off guy 'millionaire' so at least one is moving to TX....
He makes stuff so maybe its the liberals staying.........

Vote.........

[OnyxRider]

Well I had my laugh of the day reading this thread. I would say most of you guys are right in your opinions and a little wrong thrown in.

I use to have in my profile east coast and west coast so here goes my two cents.

Many large businesses that have left Cali have moved to other countries because the cost of doing business(manufacture..etc..) is cheaper.

I enjoy all that our states offer us. Being born in Connecticut I couldn't image no springtime or fall when the leaves change.

If someone has accurate figures please post but to me the segment of population that has increased the most in California for the last 20 years has been the biggest drain for the state.

And to original poster did you ask the company specifically what the law was to prevent shipment? Was it CARB?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

If someone has accurate figures please post but to me the segment of population that has increased the most in California for the last 20 years has been the biggest drain for the state.

That may or may not be true, I don't have those figures at my fingertips, but since 2005, California has experienced a net in-migration of households earning more than $200,000, according to the U.S. Census's American Community Survey.

OTOH, maybe those making $200K or more are the "leaches" of our CA population.

I know we're getting far afoot here, but whatever happened to the meaning of the quote carved on the Statue of Liberty?

“Give us your tired, your poor, your hungry, your huddled masses yearning to be free....”

So, Steve (PANAVIA) did you find out if you can order a non-CARB approved crate engine yet?

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

And to original poster did you ask the company specifically what the law was to prevent shipment? Was it CARB?

CARB is the California Air Resources Board.