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Old 09-19-2014, 11:03 AM
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I would have liked for my situation to work our half as well. I hope that he makes it right for you.
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Old 09-21-2014, 09:03 AM
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Gun Doc, good for you for posting this. If yours was not right they should fix it. You paid good money, and you have the right to get what you paid for. Even if it's one out a hundred, a good company should stand behind the one they made a mistake on.
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Old 09-21-2014, 09:54 AM
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I agree with Wayne. Good companies stand behind issues. Sometimes they fix problems that aren't their fault to keep the good will.

Good luck Gun Doc. I hope it works out.

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Old 10-28-2014, 11:40 AM
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I wanted to post an update to this thread…

The bad news: The estimate to repair my engine is now up to $7100+ not including sorting out the original problem of faulty linkage/lack of tuning-setup of my Webers. I estimate this to be another $350-400 for parts plus Dyno time.

The good news: Eric at PE has agreed to pay for the parts required to repair the engine and carbs. He and my local engine builder, Craig Blood will work out the details. I want to publicly thank Eric for stepping up and doing the right thing. It says a lot about him and his company.
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Old 10-28-2014, 01:02 PM
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Gun Doc: Thanks for the update and 'setting the record straight' on PE 'doing the right thing' in the end.

Better late then never - better never late...
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Old 10-28-2014, 01:08 PM
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Taking credit when things go well is easy.
Taking responsibility for when things go bad shows character and what people are made of.
Glad to hear things are working out.
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How did the transplant of the cammer motor work out in your GT 40.
I've been looking for a running engine and finding the right builder is a challenge.

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It has been several years in the making and I am starting to see light at the end of the tunnel after several hurdles. Today, the motor and transaxle was finally installed in my car. The most common installation in these cars is usually a small block stroker or an FE. Well, I decided to do more of a one off. Specifically, I decided to have a dual quad, dry sumped 427 SOHC built and installed.

As you can imagine, the biggest challenge with this project was amassing the parts and getting the engine built. All I can say is that the unscrupulous people that I have come across that live in the 427 Cammer world are for the most part extremely unknowledgeable and crooks. From Michael Deutsch from Cammer Concepts who sold me improperly ground cams and faulty rocker arms, to Butch Engelbrecht who was impossible to deal with, to Jim Dove and his faulty manufacturing, to the biggest disappointment of all which was Jim Barillaro from Knoxville, TN. He is the guy who claims to have been building these motors since 1969 and a self proclaimed expert. Jim also owns the 2 Jack Chrisman Comets that have cammers in them.

I bought quality new parts for this motor and sent them to Jim Barillaro for final machining and assembly. Shelby block, Crower billet rods and crank, Arias pistons, Comp billet cams, T&D rockers, etc. He informed me that the machinng and dyno testing would be done at a local shop near him and he would oversee that aspect and he would do the final assembly himself.

Barillaro assembled it and dyno'd it and it took nearly 2 years to get the motor from him. A few months later after it was delivered, we did some tests on the motor without running it. A leak down test was done and it yielded results between 35% to 95%. We also noticed that there was some kind of rear cam plug improperly wedged into the rear of the block. It was driven in through the inside of the block and was sealed with silicone and it looked awful. We also noticed that one of the spark plug tubes was not sitting flush in the valve cover.

Given the leak down test results and the other visual indicators, I decided to sent the motor to Ernie Elliott in Dawsonville, Georgia to be inspected. Ernie builds for NASCAR and he is the real deal. Everything is done in house and to a high standard. Ernie got it running and noticed several problems right away.

Valve stems were bent, and that is why the leak down test did not yield proper results. Valves were getting hung up in the guides. Obviously Barillaro did not check this. The drive on my Aviaid dry sump pump was hammered on and mangled as well. When the front cover was removed, it was discovered that a bolt holding on the Milodon primary gear drive had undone itself and made its way to the oil pan. The block had been decked with the sleeves in and they were damaged as well as the head gaskets were improperly installed and about to fail. I paid Barillaro for hardened valve seats and they were never installed. I also paid for him to install bronze valve guides and that was not done either. All of the plugs that were installed in the block and heads were cross threaded as well.

It turns out that the motor was not getting enough oil and it burnt all the cam and main bearings and all the pistons were trashed. I am fortunate to have found this out before it was installed in the car as putting it in and taking it out is a lot more expensive than losing a motor on the dyno. I brought this to Barillaro's attention and he told me that he did not feel that he would be able to stand behind his work and he would not pay me for my trouble to have someone else rectify his mistakes. He claims financial hardship due to health reasons.

Ernie had to take it all apart and rebuild it from the ground up and these are not cheap motors. I had to absorb the cost of this and Barillaro does not even have the courtesy to step up and reimburse me for what has happened. It is now a proper engine and hopefully the end of my troubles. All I can say is be very leary of anyone that you deal with in the Cammer world.

I will be posting pictures in the near future.

I posted this some time ago, and the car is now complete thanks to Bill Andrews at HRE in New York and Ernie Elliott in Georgia. This complicated build could not have been done without them and I am grateful for their help
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The car came out beautifully. That motor in that car is an intense combination. After what I have been through, the only person that I would recommend to build an engine like that is Ernie Elliott.
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I don't want tot go into details but had my work done by Eric at Performance Eng. and would never go back there. Nice guy but Oh My!!!
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It’s been awhile and I wanted to update this post…I received an email from Performance Engineering today informing me that Eric had shipped all the repair parts for my engine rebuild to Blood Enterprises (my local engine builder).

It’s been a long road, but Eric stepped up and is a man of his word. My engine will soon be rebuilt and ready to go back into my Cobra! I want to publicly thank Eric for doing the right thing!!

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Old 04-24-2015, 12:48 PM
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It took him 6 months to send the parts?

You posted on 10/28/2014:

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I wanted to post an update to this thread…

The bad news: The estimate to repair my engine is now up to $7100+ not including sorting out the original problem of faulty linkage/lack of tuning-setup of my Webers. I estimate this to be another $350-400 for parts plus Dyno time.

The good news: Eric at PE has agreed to pay for the parts required to repair the engine and carbs. He and my local engine builder, Craig Blood will work out the details. I want to publicly thank Eric for stepping up and doing the right thing. It says a lot about him and his company.
Of course, nobody knows what transpired between the two parties mentioned above, so there could be issues that delayed the transfer of the parts, but this sure does seem like a long time to an outsider.

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Old 04-24-2015, 06:42 PM
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Yes, it took quite a while...In Eric's defense, he had some medical issues during that time and I really didn't press it over the holidays. I figured being in western Washington state, I wouldn’t put the car back on the road until May, so I didn't push it.
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