767Jockey -- Build Thread Update?

hi-tech cobra · #1 (**permalink**) 05-28-2009, 07:43 AM

ERA Chas,
You forgot to include Dove.

Hey, whatever happened with the Kirkham FE block project? Is it still on hold?

ERA Chas · #2 (**permalink**) 05-28-2009, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi-tech cobra

ERA Chas,
You forgot to include Dove.

Hey, whatever happened with the Kirkham FE block project? Is it still on hold?

Thanks, you're right hi-tech, forgot him but Dove doesn't cast iron blocks, which is what Jockey has.
Kirkham could probably do a billet block sooner than their cast block.

767Jockey · #3 (**permalink**) 05-28-2009, 08:56 AM

Yeah, I know, you guys are right. No name from now on, I just lost my patience for a second. Patrick, that's about the same scenario my attorney laid out for me. The question now is when do I pull the trigger on the legal papers. It'll be sson, I've gone about as far as I can with this guy trying to be a gentleman. You said in an earlier posting that I have lots of patience.....well, its just about gone now.

Keithc8 · #4 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 12:35 AM

This is what Tim at Genesis does on most all problems. You can never get him to call you back and he says he is going to do all sorts of suff and does not. I say just tell the truth and do the right thing. This is why we pressure check every block we get from anyone these days. Your story is not that uncommon when dealing with these people.
I know that Robert Pond is working on his cast iron block program and hopes to have up to speed in about a month. I have had some of his cast iron blocks already and they were pretty good but he is making more changes to make it better. At least if someone has a problem he calls them back.
You would think that after 5 years or so of making a cast iron block they could get it right. Let me know if we can install 8 sleeves in the block and help you save it. Also tell your machine shop to make sure that they pressure check all of their blocks before they machine them.
Let me know if we can help in any way. Thanks, Keith

patrickt · #5 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keithc8

You would think that after 5 years or so of making a cast iron block they could get it right.

That has been my feeling since the beginning of this thread. Now I realize that while pouring an iron block in to a sand mold is not the same as baking a cake, you would indeed think that after five friggin' years of baking the same cake day after day your quality assurance would be pretty high. Not to mention the fact that you're leaving your customers high and dry because of your lousy product. Doug, it might be time to consider "piercing the corporate veil" and including this fella as a defendant in his individual capacity -- I think his conduct in this debacle just might justify that move.

767Jockey · #6 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickt

That has been my feeling since the beginning of this thread. Now I realize that while pouring an iron block in to a sand mold is not the same as baking a cake, you would indeed think that after five friggin' years of baking the same cake day after day your quality assurance would be pretty high. Not to mention the fact that you're leaving your customers high and dry because of your lousy product. Doug, it might be time to consider "piercing the corporate veil" and including this fella as a defendant in his individual capacity -- I think his conduct in this debacle just might justify that move.

It's time to pull the legal trigger on this, Patrick - I agree with you. The problem now is the cost. I lost my lawyer friend who was going to do this for free to a medical issue, now I have to find an attorney en see what it's all going to cost to go after this guy. I imagine it's very easy to pile up legal bills that will exceed the cost of the block and the machining involved. I guess he knows this and it emboldens his behavior. I've never sued anyone, it's just not my style, but I guess the time has come where I have to. This guy is just incredible.

patrickt · #7 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 767Jockey

It's time to pull the legal trigger on this, Patrick - I agree with you. The problem now is the cost. I lost my lawyer friend who was going to do this for free to a medical issue, now I have to find an attorney en see what it's all going to cost to go after this guy. I imagine it's very easy to pile up legal bills that will exceed the cost of the block and the machining involved. I guess he knows this and it emboldens his behavior. I've never sued anyone, it's just not my style, but I guess the time has come where I have to. This guy is just incredible.

Call your local bar association's lawyer referral service and ask for the name of a general practioner with about 10 years experience or less. This is not a difficult case, nor are we talking Madison Avenue M&A lawyer fees. I think if you try the "send him the pleadings" move with him named personally as a defendant, allege a fraud count, ask for punitives, that will motivate him to settle. IMO, he will not settle without a gun to his head (metaphorically speaking, of course).

767Jockey · #8 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keithc8

This is what Tim at Genesis does on most all problems. You can never get him to call you back and he says he is going to do all sorts of suff and does not. I say just tell the truth and do the right thing. This is why we pressure check every block we get from anyone these days. Your story is not that uncommon when dealing with these people.
I know that Robert Pond is working on his cast iron block program and hopes to have up to speed in about a month. I have had some of his cast iron blocks already and they were pretty good but he is making more changes to make it better. At least if someone has a problem he calls them back.
You would think that after 5 years or so of making a cast iron block they could get it right. Let me know if we can install 8 sleeves in the block and help you save it. Also tell your machine shop to make sure that they pressure check all of their blocks before they machine them.
Let me know if we can help in any way. Thanks, Keith

Thanks, Keith - the frustration this is causing is indescribable. The conduct that you describe is EXACTLY what is happening. I can't ever get him on the phone, in the dozens (yes, DOZENS) of messages I have left him I have not received one single return call. On the very rare occasion I get him to actually answer his phone, he promises me EVERYTHING and then he does absolutely nothing. You have obviously dealt with this guy before. I had a friend who is a lawyer who was going to represent me for free on this, and now he's had a major medical problem and won't be able to. This is just getting worse and worse.