Bug Screens - Use Them?

[Large Arbor]

Gents,

Do any of you run bug screens over the radiator? If so, did you lose any cooling ability and where did you get one? Bugs are pain to keep cleaning and I am worried I will put a stone through the radiator.

Phil

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Large Arbor

Gents,

Do any of you run bug screens over the radiator? If so, did you lose any cooling ability and where did you get one? Bugs are pain to keep cleaning and I am worried I will put a stone through the radiator.

Phil

No. Pusher fans work much better -- really.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by patrickt

No. Pusher fans work much better -- really.

Yup

[ERA Chas]

Use a short bristle 3" wide brush on them-come right off. Don't put a cheesy screen in the nose.
I never took a stone in three decades-still worried?

[Large Arbor]

I like the look of a plain radiator in the front, unless it was a shrouded pusher fan.

Phil

[DanEC]

I have a time scrubbing bugs off of the front of my wife's Toyota Highlander. I can't keep up with keeping the thing clean with all the miles she puts on it. I picked up a bottle of Surf City Garage bug remover the other day at Pep Boys and for once, something actually works as well as advertised. After soakiing for about a minute the remains mostly hose right off and what's left just wipes off with a normal swipe of my washing mitt. It and a soft brush will probably make clean up of your radiator fairly easy. Back flushing from the engine side would probably work best.

[chucks1]

Originally Posted by DanEC

I have a time scrubbing bugs off of the front of my wife's Toyota Highlander. I can't keep up with keeping the thing clean with all the miles she puts on it. I picked up a bottle of Surf City Garage bug remover the other day at Pep Boys and for once, something actually works as well as advertised. After soakiing for about a minute the remains mostly hose right off and what's left just wipes off with a normal swipe of my washing mitt. It and a soft brush will probably make clean up of your radiator fairly easy. Back flushing from the engine side would probably work best.

I'm always on the lookout for something that works well on the bugs. I have checked both Pep Boys as well as Surf City Garage. It looks like the product you referred to might be Road Trip Bug & Tar Remover? I can't seem to locate it anywhere though. Is it available as a "standalone" product or only as part of a kit?

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by chucks1

I'm always on the lookout for something that works well on the bugs. I have checked both Pep Boys as well as Surf City Garage. It looks like the product you referred to might be Road Trip Bug & Tar Remover? I can't seem to locate it anywhere though. Is it available as a "standalone" product or only as part of a kit?

That's it. I bought it as a stand alone item at Pep Boys. Haven't noticed it anywhere else. I was going to order some Groits before I found it locally. It melts hardened bug mess away although it looks like it also strip most of any wax off of paint also. But I usually apply Eagle wax and dry when washing it and that takes care of that.

[chucks1]

I figured it would take the wax off along with the bugs, but that's a small price to pay. Thanks . . .

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by chucks1

I'm always on the lookout for something that works well on the bugs. I have checked both Pep Boys as well as Surf City Garage. It looks like the product you referred to might be Road Trip Bug & Tar Remover? I can't seem to locate it anywhere though. Is it available as a "standalone" product or only as part of a kit?

Well, darn it - I was at Pep Boys yesterday and they no longer have the Surf City Garage bug and tar remover. I must have bought mine just before they stopped stocking it. I guess I will give Groits product a try next.

[dwathencars]

I've had good results with Griots bug barrier that is sprayed on before a drive. It leaves a slimy coating that keeps most bugs from sticking. Our XK120 is worse than the Cobra for attracting bugs, Lori and I drove it 500 miles two weeks ago and the bug barrier really helped. Even on the radiator core. Dave

[vector1]

i've been with and without, tired of the bug thing, especially if you drive at the wrong time or evenings or out in the rural areas. HD has heavy duty screen door stuff to resist cat scratching or assist in vertical height, however you look at it, buy the parts and make your own which is what I did. Did lose a bit of cooling but not enough to put things in danger from driving around on the street.

[Large Arbor]

Dwight,

What brand is your fan? Mine is only pulling about 1900 cfm and needs a little help.

Phil

[eschaider]

Originally Posted by Large Arbor

Dwight,

What brand is your fan? Mine is only pulling about 1900 cfm and needs a little help.

Phil

Phil,

Didn't mean to ignore your post — got distracted and old brain cells dedicated to memory failed me.

There is a relatively low cost fan alternative that is pretty nice. It involves using a fan out of a Lincoln Mk VIII. Early ones were supposed to be 4500 cfm and the last two years of production produced 5000 cfm versions. They can be sourced from salvage yards for ~$35.

After the fan you definitely want to use a fan controller. They are not only high flow fans they are high starting amperage draw. Cold starting the fan can surge over 70/80 amps and damage your electrical system and/or alternator. There is a company called the Hollister Road Company (<= clickable) that makes fan controllers specifically for this fan. The offer two controllers one rated at 85 A and the other rated at 125 A. The 85 will typically work fine the 125 offers a little more head room for $20 more.

Both controllers will give the fan a soft start and then seamlessly vary the fan speed up and down as engine temperature goes up and down. At highway speeds, when there is adequate air flow across the radiator to cool the engine they will shut down the fan. As engine temp goes down so does fan speed. When you shut off the car they will run the fan for approximately a minute after the engine stops.

Way cool controller and the only one like it I could find when I was hunting for mine. BTW when the MK VIII fan goes up to top speed you need to keep women, children and small dogs away from the front of the car.


Ed

[davids2toys]

Originally Posted by eschaider

Phil,

Didn't mean to ignore your post — got distracted and old brain cells dedicated to memory failed me.

There is a relatively low cost fan alternative that is pretty nice. It involves using a fan out of a Lincoln Mk VIII. Early ones were supposed to be 4500 cfm and the last two years of production produced 5000 cfm versions. They can be sourced from salvage yards for ~$35.

After the fan you definitely want to use a fan controller. They are not only high flow fans they are high starting amperage draw. Cold starting the fan can surge over 70/80 amps and damage your electrical system and/or alternator. There is a company called the Hollister Road Company (<= clickable) that makes fan controllers specifically for this fan. The offer two controllers one rated at 85 A and the other rated at 125 A. The 85 will typically work fine the 125 offers a little more head room for $20 more.

Both controllers will give the fan a soft start and then seamlessly vary the fan speed up and down as engine temperature goes up and down. At highway speeds, when there is adequate air flow across the radiator to cool the engine they will shut down the fan. As engine temp goes down so does fan speed. When you shut off the car they will run the fan for approximately a minute after the engine stops.

Way cool controller and the only one like it I could find when I was hunting for mine. BTW when the MK VIII fan goes up to top speed you need to keep women, children and small dogs away from the front of the car.


Ed

Ed,
This sounds like a very cool unit. I went on the Hollister site but could not find this controller. Do you have a model #?
Dave

[eschaider]

Originally Posted by davids2toys

Ed,
This sounds like a very cool unit. I went on the Hollister site but could not find this controller. Do you have a model #?
Dave

Apologies for the late response Dave. Here is a link to their stuff, => Fan Controller. This particular unit was a special unit they built for me and then productized it for general resale.

The feature set and design is very attractive. It uses a Meziere 50 or 55 gal (forgot which) per minute electric water pump and a 5000 cfm MK VIII fan. When you start the car both the water pump and the fan get a soft start so you don't overload your electrical system. There is no thermostat! In the top radiator hose there is a temperature sensor that measures the temperature of the coolant leaving the engine. You set your target temperature and the system provides a closed loop control of engine temperature by seamlessly raising and lowering both the pump and fan speeds to maintain the target temperature you have selected. At highway speed the fan shuts down.

When you park the car the unit will continue to run both the fan and the water pump for a minute to a minute and a half slowly but uniformly cooling the engine down. It is a very nice package both in terms of cooling capacity and also in terms of nice touches like the short run on period after you shut off the engine.

Ask for Dave at Hollister Road Co. He is super easy to communicate with and helpful beyond your expectations. The phone number is 713-937-0387.

Almost forgot, when you remove the thermostat and the obstruction it represented in terms of coolant flow it is stunning how much more heat energy your cooling system can sink away.


Ed

p.s. The 85A fan only controller is listed as out of stock but I believe the 125A is still available. Dave should be able to give you an availability on the fan only controller if that is the route you choose to go.

[davids2toys]

Originally Posted by eschaider

Apologies for the late response Dave. Here is a link to their stuff, => Fan Controller. This particular unit was a special unit they built for me and then productized it for general resale.

The feature set and design is very attractive. It uses a Meziere 50 or 55 gal (forgot which) per minute electric water pump and a 5000 cfm MK VIII fan. When you start the car both the water pump and the fan get a soft start so you don't overload your electrical system. There is no thermostat! In the top radiator hose there is a temperature sensor that measures the temperature of the coolant leaving the engine. You set your target temperature and the system provides a closed loop control of engine temperature by seamlessly raising and lowering both the pump and fan speeds to maintain the target temperature you have selected. At highway speed the fan shuts down.

When you park the car the unit will continue to run both the fan and the water pump for a minute to a minute and a half slowly but uniformly cooling the engine down. It is a very nice package both in terms of cooling capacity and also in terms of nice touches like the short run on period after you shut off the engine.

Ask for Dave at Hollister Road Co. He is super easy to communicate with and helpful beyond your expectations. The phone number is 713-937-0387.

Almost forgot, when you remove the thermostat and the obstruction it represented in terms of coolant flow it is stunning how much more heat energy your cooling system can sink away.


Ed

p.s. The 85A fan only controller is listed as out of stock but I believe the 125A is still available. Dave should be able to give you an availability on the fan only controller if that is the route you choose to go.

Great post, good info Ed, thanks
Where in the world did you mount that thing?

I have had no problem with my fan and I am staying with a traditional water pump. My fan also stays on for a good 3-5 minutes after I shut the car off. My the fan is on a relay and I thought that solved the problem of starting up big load?
Is the fan only much cheaper
I will probably keep it simple and not do this mod ....for the moment anyway!
I think I will call him per your suggestion and get his input

Dave

[eschaider]

The bugs are an irritation. The stones are a potential hole in your radiator and a tow home — with some luck no motor damage from overheating but the cost to repair / replace the radiator.

This is a piece the World of Outlaws cars use to protect their radiators from on track flying debris. It is a 7/16 honeycomb rigid nomex matrix that does not restrict the airflow to the radiator and does protect it from flying debris that can damage the core.

click here => Radiator Protector It is available in several sizes and trims easily. It also washes easily.


Ed

[Dwight]

Phil I don't remember. I bought it from a ebay store that sold NASCAR stuff several years ago.

Do a search for the size fan you have with the highest CFM available. Summit, Jegs, Speedway and Ebay

Dwight

just did a Summit 16" fan search and came up with a lot of fans from 2500 -3000 cfm.

http://www.summitracing.com/search?S...rd=16%22%20fan

[davids2toys]

Originally Posted by eschaider

The bugs are an irritation. The stones are a potential hole in your radiator and a tow home — with some luck no motor damage from overheating but the cost to repair / replace the radiator.

This is a piece the World of Outlaws cars use to protect their radiators from on track flying debris. It is a 7/16 honeycomb rigid nomex matrix that does not restrict the airflow to the radiator and does protect it from flying debris that can damage the core.

click here => Radiator Protector It is available in several sizes and trims easily. It also washes easily.



Ed

Great idea, but the color looks terrible. Do you think that is paint-able so you could camouflage it a little, maybe aluminum color?