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08-28-2012, 03:32 PM
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Ford 427 Wedge Engine ?
I'm a old Chevy man, until building my Cobra. So, bare with me as this is a stupid question. 
I just viewed a 1/16 scale replica of a Ford 427 Wedge Engine. Can you tell me more about this engine, years it was produced and what cars had it ?
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08-28-2012, 04:22 PM
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Go to Wikipedia and query "Ford FE engine" ....there is a whole story about the FE. Years it was built, etc,...lots of information...good place to start.
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08-28-2012, 07:09 PM
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So, is the "wedge" anything different than the typical FE ?
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08-28-2012, 08:22 PM
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Nope, all FE's are wedge until you get to the Ford SOHC "Cammer"....it has hemispherical combustion chambers vs all other FE "wedge heads"....low-rise, mid-rise, hi-rise and tunnel port.
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08-28-2012, 08:31 PM
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Great, thank you. I've haven't heard the FE's called wedges before.
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08-29-2012, 03:04 AM
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Your Chebbie stuff was wedge too.....it's just a generic term for a conventional head layout.
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08-29-2012, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FUNFER2
I'm a old Chevy man, until building my Cobra. So, bare with me as this is a stupid question.
I just viewed a 1/16 scale replica of a Ford 427 Wedge Engine. Can you tell me more about this engine, years it was produced and what cars had it ? |
If your a died in the wool Chevy guy wait until you get to assembling headers and ignition timing. My FE headers were built by a Chevy guy who stamps the primary pipes according to Chevy firing order - which of course bears no resemblance to Ford FE firing order. I missed the caution note on this and puzzled for hours trying to figure out which pipe fit on which exhaust port and how to get them to fit up with the collector.  |
08-29-2012, 05:53 AM
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Wedge was a common term back in the 60's and 70's. I think you will find the 427 and 428 engine worthy opponents to most comprable GM engines. There are just a few little tricks a good Ford machinist knows. George Anderson has a very good machinist in his shop that could answer most of your questions, and he is close to you. Also, Brent Lykins B2 Motorsports, or Keith Craft, or my guy here in Tulsa Stanley Morton, and probably one of the best is in Greenville, Illinois; Lumpy at Performance Motorsports.
Just in case you wanted to know.
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08-29-2012, 09:36 AM
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If your a died in the wool Chevy guy wait until you get to assembling headers and ignition timing. My FE headers were built by a Chevy guy who stamps the primary pipes according to Chevy firing order - which of course bears no resemblance to Ford FE firing order. I missed the caution note on this and puzzled for hours trying to figure out which pipe fit on which exhaust port and how to get them to fit up with the collector. |
If I recall correctly, the firing order is actualy the same, it's the cylinder numbering that is different.
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08-29-2012, 10:36 AM
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If I recall correctly, the firing order is actualy the same, it's the cylinder numbering that is different.
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Your probably right on that - haven't checked. Just got to remember where to hook up the timing light now. |
08-29-2012, 02:26 PM
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If I recall correctly, the firing order is actualy the same, it's the cylinder numbering that is different.
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That is fact. |
08-29-2012, 02:33 PM
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As for what was called a wedge, I always thought that open chamber heads were not considered a wedge. For that matter, I would have said the 4 valve head designs, like the 4.6 modular, are not wedge engines. I thought that the head being flat over part of the piston, with the valves deeply recessed, with a ramp connecting the two areas was a wedge. In other words the ramp is the wedge. I don't have any recollection how I came to that opinion. I may have assumed it. Anyone know for a fact what the wedge refers to?
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As for what was called a wedge, I always thought that open chamber heads were not considered a wedge. For that matter, I would have said the 4 valve head designs, like the 4.6 modular, are not wedge engines. I thought that the head being flat over part of the piston, with the valves deeply recessed, with a ramp connecting the two areas was a wedge. In other words the ramp is the wedge. I don't have any recollection how I came to that opinion. I may have assumed it. Anyone know for a fact what the wedge refers to?
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that is exactly how the term "wedge head" came about!!!!!!!!
You are right in your description,started back with the NASCAR boys to denote those engines from the "hemi" engines.....
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that is exactly how the term "wedge head" came about!!!!!!!!
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When I think of a "wedge head".........
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08-30-2012, 04:24 AM
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lol,... 
The FE wedge sure looks different than the Dodge wedge.
Well, I guess the Harley Davidson is also a,..... wedge ? 
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08-30-2012, 05:01 AM
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Patrickt is confusing "wedge" and "cheese". I know I've done that also. I even had a Chevy Cheese motor once.
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09-11-2012, 07:38 PM
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lol,...
The FE wedge sure looks different than the Dodge wedge.
Well, I guess the Harley Davidson is also a,..... wedge ? |
I'm thinking the "shovelheads" are Hemi's |
09-12-2012, 11:11 AM
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Patrickt is confusing "wedge" and "cheese". I know I've done that also. I even had a Chevy Cheese motor once.
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maybe a Mouse motor eh |
09-14-2012, 06:16 PM
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I'm thinking the "shovelheads" are Hemi's
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