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11-18-2016, 02:45 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
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Originally Posted by blykins
I would think that a $$$$ "aftermarket" block would be an ego-booster. Not solely focused on aluminum.
If the Cup guys can go 200 mph at 9500 with a cast iron block, you guys can drive 5 miles to Starbucks without nosing over and missing your turn......  |
Well, that says it all. You don't understand your market. I don't know what you're drinking in KY for coffee in the morning, but we folks that buy alloy FE blocks don't drink that swill that parades around as Starbuck's coffee. That's pure crappola. 
And if we're going to be seen at Starbucks, we take our Pinarello bicycles anyway.  |
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11-18-2016, 02:55 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 427 S/C, Twin Paxton 511 FE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins
If the Cup guys can go 200 mph at 9500 with a cast iron block, you guys can drive 5 miles to Starbucks without nosing over and missing your turn...... |
That is freakin' funny.
A little disdain for your customers is healthy.
And you're in good company
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11-18-2016, 02:59 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneym
That is freakin' funny.
A little disdain for your customers is healthy.
And you're in good company |
I've always thought there was something funny about the "alloy" guys. I think we should exclude them whenever possible.  |
11-18-2016, 03:05 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: I'm Cobra-less!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneym
That is freakin' funny.
A little disdain for your customers is healthy.
And you're in good company |
It was tongue in cheek, but I've known a lot of you for years and feel like I can take a jab every now and then.
Plus I know how a lot of these cars are used. The first engine I ever delivered ended up in a Hurricane Cobra. 10 years later it had 4000 miles on it.
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11-18-2016, 03:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins
The first engine I ever delivered ended up in a Hurricane Cobra. 10 years later it had 4000 miles on it.
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That sounds like a DD to me. |
11-18-2016, 03:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
I've always thought there was something funny about the "alloy" guys. I think we should exclude them whenever possible. |
Not to mention those "guys" with Desert Storm Camo beige Cobras, Faux FE's, two roll bars with pipe insulation around them and Christmas tree lights masquerading around as Cobra trunk trim. |
11-18-2016, 03:12 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
Not to mention those "guys" with Desert Storm Camo beige Cobras, Faux FE's, two roll bars with pipe insulation around them and Christmas tree lights masquerading around as Cobra trunk trim. |
No, for guys like that we all wear safety pins.  |
11-18-2016, 03:30 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 427, 427/487 side-oiler
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Guys that buy Cobras want something extreme. You don't *need* anything nearly that fast. These cars would be fast with iron blocks or even SBCs. But if you're gonna build or buy something that's totally extreme, you might as well do all the little things that add up, and that make it a fun project. An Al block and saving 125# fall into that category. For me it was a difference of maybe $500-600. The only thing that would give me pause if I were to do it again is that the pan on this engine has never sealed well, despite some pretty extreme measures. I think it would be better with an iron block. But it's a relatively small issue.
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11-18-2016, 03:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins
I would think that a $$$$ "aftermarket" block would be an ego-booster. Not solely focused on aluminum.
If the Cup guys can go 200 mph at 9500 with a cast iron block, you guys can drive 5 miles to Starbucks without nosing over and missing your turn...... |
I believe nascar uses compact graphite iron blocks not cast iron. They are stronger than cast but lighter. They get a new engine every 1000 miles. So it makes sense to use iron. Formula 1 uses aluminum but those engines are on a different planet than a nascar motor.
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11-18-2016, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
And if we're going to be seen at Starbucks, we take our Pinarello bicycles anyway. |
You must live in Woodside. |
11-18-2016, 03:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fordracing65
I believe nascar uses compact graphite iron blocks not cast iron. They are stronger than cast but lighter. They get a new engine every 1000 miles. So it makes sense to use iron. Formula 1 uses aluminum but those engines are on a different planet than a nascar motor.
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Yes sir, that is correct, but that just changed with the newest generation of FR9 engines.
Up until a few years ago, they were all cast iron blocks.
Those stupid CGI FR9 blocks are like $13k a piece.
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11-18-2016, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt
I've always thought there was something funny about the "alloy" guys. I think we should exclude them whenever possible. |
Call me Lonesome Dove.
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11-18-2016, 03:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins
It was tongue in cheek, but I've known a lot of you for years and feel like I can take a jab every now and then.
Plus I know how a lot of these cars are used. The first engine I ever delivered ended up in a Hurricane Cobra. 10 years later it had 4000 miles on it.
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bly,
I hope you know I love you (you know what I mean). And I'm a customer of yours too, if you remember. Albeit not a big $$$ one.
Jab away. My skin is A LOT thicker than aluminum skin. More like a thick, hardened and cured fiberglass Co-ahhh, forget it. 
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11-18-2016, 03:55 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance, Survival Motorsports aluminum FE 482
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It's pretty clear the nature of a cobra build leads the buyer in many cases to aluminum. Next question why go to 482? Same as the block because you can!
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11-18-2016, 04:01 PM
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You could have went to 496 without any more expense.... Could have also went to 527 with a Shelby block. Could go higher than that with a Shelby block (or cast iron Pond block) and a custom crank.
rodneym, I love you too.
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11-18-2016, 04:12 PM
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Quote:
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rodneym, I love you too.
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You know, given our current political environment, I'd ixnay on the ove-lay. |
11-18-2016, 04:13 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF 2932 with 438 Lykins Motorsports engine. Previous owner of FFR 5452.
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Sheesh, you guys, this isn't Brokeback Mountain.
Get a room!
Not that there's anything wrong with it!!
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11-18-2016, 04:22 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Scratch built CSX style frame, Carbon fiber body, 393 Stroker, T-bird IRS, T5
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Funny the Sprint cup guys come up in this conversation. Don't those guys run (gasp) small blocks?
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11-18-2016, 04:24 PM
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Yeah, but to be fair, it's because of the rules.
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11-18-2016, 04:26 PM
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As I said earlier, my car had the Danbury built Shelby aluminum block when I built it.
On other points, at some point HP's are just wasted on the tires. I love the way my car, drives, and handles. The oil leaks are down to valve covers now that the intake is sealed with the TA 31 stuff.
I have aluminum block, heads, intake, water pump and love it all (except for the polishing and cleaning). I also love the FE engines and get complements from the older guys on it. Much of the younger crowd doesn't even know what an FE is.
I bought the car thinking it had a better value since it was all aluminum. Some folks prefer it.
Aren't all FE engines getting a little harder to find?
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