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Default A What is it worth ?

I have an idea what I think it's worth but I'm curious what others think, and hopefully some FE experts see this...

I have a 427 FE side oiler that I recently took out of a 68 Shelby GT500KR (wrong engine for the car is the reason I removed it) It was a running/driving car with the side oiler.

I know it is a side oiler and I know it has tunnel port heads - C7OE 6090K - with a polished tunnel port dual quad medium riser intake w/ dual holleys.

According to the documents - and I use the term loosely because it is mostly all hand written notes and records that came with the car, but it all does seem legit and everything else about the car is accurate - it is a 427 FE side oiler NASCAR block and all Ford/NASCAR internals, forged crank, etc. It has domed pistons, said to be 12.5:1 and we were told it only ran on race fuel and seemed to have a big cam and did make tons of power. According to the "paperwork" it hasn't been bored but I haven't opened it up yet to measure the cylinders or check out any internals.
The original owner of the car/engine builder is said to have worked at Ford and got all the parts & NASCAR block directly from Ford.
There are no casting #s on the pass side of the block, only a "E1" and "266" on the driver side under where the oil filter mount goes.

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It's probably worth a hundred bucks or so. Give me your address and I'll come take it off your hands.
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Got more pictures of the block and heads? Also the numbers you have been able to find.
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Got more pictures of the block and heads? Also the numbers you have been able to find.
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I see the side oil gallery and plugs, so it's a side oiler.
The only other tid-bit I see are the verticle bars on the other side of the block, which ( I think) indicate a "service block".
I would remove heads and pan and check condition of cyl walls and bearings. Looks like its been together for a long time. I would imagine most potential buyers would opt to rebuild it and start fresh.

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Charlie, When you have a chance, check the back of the block and see if there is a letter C scractched in the block..

Then check this website. They have a pretty good handle on the spread of Ford part numbers over the years.
http://www.mustangtek.com/block/Block.html

You run the list on the left side of the page and you can trace about anything you need to from blocks, heads, intakes, and many more.
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Charlie, When you have a chance, check the back of the block and see if there is a letter C scractched in the block..

Then check this website. They have a pretty good handle on the spread of Ford part numbers over the years.
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You run the list on the left side of the page and you can trace about anything you need to from blocks, heads, intakes, and many more.

Dan the scratch "C" blocks are 428's
charlie's is a 1972 427 service block
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I suspect you are righ, but it wouldnt be the first time. I just want to be sure.
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Careful if you tear it down - if it truly has a NASCAR crank and rods, obtaining rod bearings can be very problematic. They're as rare as hens teeth. The real NASCAR rod journals and rod big ends are a different size than standard FE sizes. Don't damage or discard anything to do with the rod bearings until you're certain that it is or isn't a true NASCAR crank and rods.

And yes, that is a service block. That's a good thing, they're almost always drilled for hydraulic lifters.

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And yes, that is a service block. That's a good thing, they're almost always drilled for hydraulic lifters.[/quote]

It does appear to be drilled for hydraulic lifters. Also, I pulled a cyl head and it's a standard bore 4.23

And there is 66-427 on the back of block, not a C
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Careful if you tear it down - if it truly has a NASCAR crank and rods, obtaining rod bearings can be very problematic. They're as rare as hens teeth. The real NASCAR rod journals and rod big ends are a different size than standard FE sizes. Don't damage or discard anything to do with the rod bearings until you're certain that it is or isn't a true NASCAR crank and rods.

And yes, that is a service block. That's a good thing, they're almost always drilled for hydraulic lifters.
You can re-notch the rods and use standard width bearings which are available

Looks like a single plane tunnel port with two choked carbs.
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