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02-21-2002, 08:10 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northport,
NY
Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
Posts: 10,362
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Calling all experts, poobahs and anal purists...
OK, although it was 60 degrees here today, it is still offically "hot-stove racing" season.
My project for the month is to spec out a 427 S/O engine with as much originality and authenticity as possible. Internal compromises are acceptable, deferring to more modern (..read, reliable ) technology.
The end result will be a complete parts list (shopping list) for the spring/summer "buying" season.
I need the collective effort of the resident intelligensia.
Block? Casting numbers?
Heads? Castings numbers?
Intake? (2x4) Casting numbers?
Carbs? Tag numbers? CFM?
Ignition stuff? Cam/lifters? Brackets and B/S? Bits and pieces?
...on & on & on.
Anyone who has built an engine with an eye towards originality, please add to the thread with comments.
Thanks to all who contribute
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02-23-2002, 10:01 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Tucson,
Az
Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance 427 Side-Oiler
Posts: 2,156
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Ron,my S-O was built with a Valasco crank,Cunningham rods,Arias Pistons,Solid cam,Rockers,Shafts&related gear by Ford Power Parts,Canton RR pan,Edlebrock heads(painted),Performer RPM(all #s/letters removed)then powder-coated aluminum grey.Edlebrock H2O pump painted to match block.MSD ignition.Box&coil mounted under dash.
Carb is a Holley 850-1 3/4 bores(modified),annular discharge with 4 corner idle circuits.1-inch open phenolic spacer is underneath.Fed by a Holley blue.
The alt.bracket is a modified 70 GTO bracket.March pullies were used
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02-23-2002, 10:17 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Olympia/Lacey,
WA
Cobra Make, Engine: West Coast. 514 / 6 speed Richmond overdrive
Posts: 1,981
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Ummm,
I KNOW the MSD is not original, (but they ARE great) and although I am not sure, I am almost so, that the Canton race pan and Edelbrock heads, etc... are not either 
I love the original type replicas actually, so forgive me for going with an all custom non original (bur REAL  ) West Coast cobra for my first snake. Maybe I will build or buy a 289 FIA in some future time, that would be original as I could get and still have some hidden modern features. No expert on the 427 SO or the 289 motors, am I, so I will shut up now 
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02-23-2002, 12:34 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: St. Louis, Missouri,
MO
Cobra Make, Engine: SPO 2715
Posts: 1,648
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No help here
I'm not an engine expert, but I am the Grand Poobah!
Great Asp 
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02-23-2002, 02:47 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Tucson,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance 427 Side-Oiler
Posts: 2,156
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Orginal ironheads,waterpump are nothing but ballast that you don't need.The MSD uses a GM "window" cap.Period correct but not Ford correct.Dual quads are for the "WOW" crowd.
90% of the people who will be looking under your hood won't have a clue.
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02-23-2002, 04:13 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Virginia,
Posts: 106
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Well I went with a 66 427So to match my year car, I opted for the dual quads (new Holley 650's) . My intake is a Dove tunnel port , Arias pistons , Lunati factory grind cam(very close), solid lifters, factory cast heads, lemans rods, Aviaid factory oil pan, edelbrock water pump (painted and name ground off), MSD distributor and box, Taylor wires, Factory small chrome air cleaners , Chrome factory valve covers. High volume oil pump , Harlan Sharp rockers. As far as the casting numbers and your parts are concerned try George Anderson(Gessford Machine) , he is very nice , knowledgeable and priced inline. My complete setup set me back 9k+ (dont tell the wife) Olaf  |
02-23-2002, 06:05 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: E BRUNSWICK N.J. USA,
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Hi Olaf You are looking for too many numbers for your prefect motor you would be better with eagle rods, lighter and stronger. Use arp bolts and fasteners for the motor. Leman rods are good but need prep work and better bolts. I have a brand new set in the box and I went with the Eagles. There is 2 books with all the info you need, HI-PER PARTS vol69 msd6 copyright 1968 Ford Parts Identifier 65/68 performance edition. I got both at the Ford show at Carlisle P.A. in june 1995 Both books have everything and the numbers match on parts. Last year at carlisle one guy had a shelby dry sump with pump orginial. He wanted 1500.00 $ for the system. Go to this show and call FPP in Cali. for your other needs 562-921-5300. Good luck Rick Lake
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02-23-2002, 07:14 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Northern California,
CA
Cobra Make, Engine: -Sold- Contemporary 427S/C # CCX-3152 1966 427 Med Rise Side Oiler, 8v 3.54:1 Salisbury IRS, Koni's.. (Now I'm riding Harleys)
Posts: 2,567
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Better living through progress.. original motors were not built with an eye toward being "the best " nor the most durable or exotic.. They were the best motor to fit the car for the dollars in the budget, in this case $800.
Why would you limit yourself to 1960's technology. I (for me) feel like If I were going to build an ORIGINAL 427 SO out of NOS (new old stock) parts I would never be able to fire it.. (I wouldn't be able to afford the gas)
Look, if you are serious good luck and god bless you for supporting the economy. I would take the same 15k and build a 650 hp 427 SO with modern parts, MSD et, al and go first class to Hawaii on the money left over.. I think that might make your wife be ok with you being so obsessive.
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02-23-2002, 07:25 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northport,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
Posts: 10,362
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Quote:
Originally posted by SCOBRAC
...I would take the same 15k and build a 650 hp 427 SO with modern parts...
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Michael, ...and what would be those 'modern parts'?
...$AI block?
..or, what? Gimme some ideas.
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....... and go first class to Hawaii on the money left over
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I think the mileage points on the credit cards buying these parts will get me there anyhow! |
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