Quicktime Bellhousing

[patrickt]

FWIW, I run a Lakewood on my FE with the Centerforce clutch and aluminum flywheel....

[undy]

I've a Lakewood on my 482 too. It was only out 0.003" when I dialed it in so It needed no more work. I didn't cut my flange off either as I've plenty of clearance with it in place.

Dave

[big-boss]

Rick, if you have 4.5 inches under your lakewood then that would make your frame at about 6.5 to 7.0 inches. You probably should worry just alittle more about setup at this time? Don't ya think?
You are not the only guy that has been around the block. You ought to drive my car with the "stupid" camshaft and not enough compression-hope you like "crow"!

[patrickt]

BB, you're not working/playing well with others. ERAs need the trimming at the bottom, and I can't believe it lessens the integrity of the bellhousing in the least. Here's a couple of shots of mine so you can see what I mean:

[undy]

Originally Posted by patrickt

BB, you're not working/playing well with others. ERAs need the trimming at the bottom, and I can't believe it lessens the integrity of the bellhousing in the least. Here's a couple of shots of mine so you can see what I mean:

The only thing you lose is the SFI rating when you cut it.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by undy

The only thing you lose is the SFI rating when you cut it.

I just put this sticker on it.

[Jimi G]

Guys this is straight from Quicktimes website.

RM-6056 - Big Block Ford Bellhousing to TKO 500-600/T5 Mustang/TR3550 transmission

Height = 7.050"
Trans. Bore Ø = Universal 4.850/4.910
Engine = Ford 352/390/427/428
Trans. = Universal TKO 500-600/T5 Mustang/TR3550
Clutch Ø = 11.5"
Flywheel = 184 tooth
Weight = 22#
Universal shifter fork brackets for diaphragm or cable operated linkage
Has passed ALL SFI testing
Pivot ball, fork brackets, FULL engine plate and grade 8 bolts included

I have talked with Ross at Quicktime guys the main reason this particular bell housing does not have the certification is simple. It is mostly used in the Cobra market and the bottom lip is trimmed to allow for clearance issues. Ross also confirmed with me that the bell housing passed ALL explosion tests, so there is no need to worry about your legs. jimig@standardtransmission.com

[RICK LAKE]

Here we go again on the merry go round.This is straight from the horse's mouth. Lake wood has 1 bellhousing #15210. It is certified with a 6.1 rating. It's approved for "ALL" racing sanction bodies. Quicktime, this is right out of there catalog, #RM 6056, FE to a TKO500-600, passed test but not certified. #RM6057, FE motor to a Toploader trans, nothing on testing or cert. #RM 6058 FE to ZF trans, passed test not certified. #RM 8040 FE to a T56 trans, tested and certified to 6.1. One out of 4 is certified. Big Boss I have a car that is fast enough with stupid speed and power. There are things you can do to a car like drop spindles or different control arms with off sets. If you want to test your car and driving, come on out to the Run&Gun. I run BB street class. This class is for tires with a 220 or higher rating. No power adders. Might even do a side bet with you, You drive yours and I will drive mine. We can autocross, roadrace, and dragrace. I will run the 482 motor. this should keep us with the same cubes? I like a good beating, and can give ones too. Rick L.

[QUICKTIME]

Just to clear up previous posts regarding the QuickTime bellhousings: The reason we do not have some FE bellhousings available yet in the SFI version is economics and volume. Originally the FE housing was developed for street applications where the SFI certification was not required and ground clearance was the main criteria. The issue with making our models of the FE housing SFI certified is that most of our original requests did not need it and they did not want to have the ground clearance issues with the lower lip required by SFI. The housing design as is has passed the 29# flywheel exploding @ 10,000 RPM test and is safe as is. To add the lower lip would require the end users who need the clearance to cut the lower lip which would void any certification. The cost difference is also an issue which would be approx $40 additional. At the time it did not make sense to penalize the majority of the people for adding the additional material, bolts, and testing every 2 years on our part. There is not enough volume in the FE models at this time to have both SFI and non-SFI versions available, which we have done on the SBF's (RM-6060 and the RM-6065) (RM-6080 and the RM-6081)which are the same housings-one has the lower lip and 8 3/8" grade 8 bolts/full engine plate and the other does not. In this case they are both high volume items and warrant 2 seperate models. We may change our thinking at some point and either offer only the SFI model in the FE's or add seperate models. The FE to a T56 currently is SFI certified, our logic was that a transmission capable of the horse power rating will probably be raced so we built it to SFI specifications from the start.

Our housings are spun and work harden to over 85,000 psi, more than twice the strength of any other steel housing available.

As far as the accuracy, the QuickTime bellhousings are drilled both on the engine flange and trani flange in one setup on a 3 axis machine center. We can typically hold machine tolerances of .001. The accuracy of the block that our housing is bolted to is out of our control.

Thanks for all of the interest in QuickTime bellhousing
Ross McCombs
President
QuickTime 4-22-08

[hi-tech cobra]

Ross,
Thanks for the post. This clears up my main concern - safety.
It is a well made piece. It's nice to finally have a legitimate alternative to LW.

[xlr8or]

Thanks for posting Ross. I have your FE housing and was happy to not have to trim it.

[RodKnock]

I would very interested, but I still have an unopened and unused non-SFI QT bell that I bought a couple months ago for my upcoming Kirkham build.

[Rory428]

So it appears that Quicktime does NOT make a SFI "Certified" bellhousing that is NHRA legal for a FE-Toploader application, correct? On my 10.0 ET, 132mph 428 powered Fairmont, having a part that supposedly "passed all SFI testing" without the required dated SFI certified 6-1 sticker really in no "better" in the eyes of a Tech inspector than a stock bellhousing. To me, it appears that Lakewood is the only scattershield that is currently legal to use at a NHRA sanctioned drag strip, behind a Ford FE engine. If Quicktime ever decided to market a real SFI certified bellhousing, that was considerably lighter than the Lakewood, I would imagine that virtually every FE Stock and Super Stock racer would buy one, not to mention all the FE bracket racers and street/strip guys. I think that Quicktime is underestimating the need for such a piece. At least 5 9 or low 10 second FE 4 speed cars competed at our local track last year, and a couple more are under construction. All with Jerico DR4 transmissions, which work with the Lakewood bellhousing.

[John Owen]

Quicktime - please explain this to me - I know this is the FE board, but indulge me. I purchased one of your housings for a 460 to T600 - claimed to have passed SFI testing. The area where the starter mounts had a hole that my fist would easily pass through, IN THE PLANE OF THE FLYWHEEL. Exactly how does this pass any containment requirement? Sent it back and bought another Lakewood - at least, with some work, it will do the job.....

[Ronbo]

I guess before this goes further let's think about the fact that the cut required on the Lakewood is on the bottom flange which is bolted to a flimsy block plate that ain't containing anything. However this portion of the housing is protecting... asphalt. Not to mention there's a nice big hole for the clutch fork aimed in the direction of the driver's family jewels...

I have my doubts there are many Cobra's here running engines remotely close to powerfull enough to blow a flywheel.

I think either will be fine and you can skip indexing if you don't mind wrecking your clutch.

"That's all I got to say about that." - Gump

[hi-tech cobra]

Ronbo,
Are you going to swing by for the festivities Friday? We'll be at a friends business (Fire Fighters Equipment Co.- 5638 Commonwealth Ave). Give me a call if you need directions.
John
P.S. He mentioned having some cool fire suppression gear for racing.

[QUICKTIME]

SFI allows a cutout for starter clearance as well as fork clearance. The argument is that the starter, when installed, will fill the hole and contain any failure suffiently. We have covers for the SBF currently (RM-6060-SC) and the FE and 460 covers will be completed in the next couple of weeks and offered as an accessory. These covers will give the housing a more finished look. The covers will bolt through the starter bolt holes from the backside and will adapt to any housings we currently have in the field. From a design standpoint, the openings allow for air flow to help cool the clutch package and can be used for clutch adjustments and inspection with the starter removed, most people do not see it as a big issue. We continue to make changes and improvements to make the product as flexable as possible. It is diffucult at best to design the perfect housing that will fit everyones needs because of the various applications. We have done our best to supply such a housing and are prepared to change if a better idea comes along.

Thanks again for your interest in QuickTime products.
Ross McCombs
President
QuickTime www.quicktimeinc.com

[undy]

Originally Posted by Ronbo

I guess before this goes further let's think about the fact that the cut required on the Lakewood is on the bottom flange which is bolted to a flimsy block plate that ain't containing anything.

On the block plate.. The block plate rests on the same plane that the flywheel explosion would follow, hence no direct impingement on the block plate from any flywheel/clutch debris. The explosion will go out radially and contact the bell housing, maybe ricocheting into the block plate somewhat. At that point most of the energy/inertia will have been expended. The 1/8" thick block plate "should" contain virtually any catastrophic failure and protect the back of the block. At any rate the block plate, what ever the thickness, shouldn't provide any safety risk.

Dave

[franklin]

Thank you Ross for the Starter Cover updates. That is great news, please keep us posted when it is available.
Todd

[Jamo]

Thanks Ross. We always appreciate responses from manufacturers to questions raised by our members.