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02-21-2008, 06:32 PM
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428 block question for Keith
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02-21-2008, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwight
I have a 428 motor out of a 67 stationwagon. It has an "S" on the back of the block.
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Then it should have the 427 bottom with the crossbolt bosses. The webbing will be a little different as well. Would you be crossbolting solely for the coolness factor or are you going to build something that really needs that? |
02-21-2008, 07:33 PM
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Cool factor 
I know I would need the crossbolt mains.
Dwight
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02-21-2008, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwight
Cool factor
I know I would need the crossbolt mains.
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OK, I understand.  If it was coolness alone though the only guys that get to appreciate it are the ones standing around when it's on a lift! Now that I think about it, if my block had been an S I might very well have cross-bolted it even with my measly 450HP!  Yes, I think I would. |
02-21-2008, 07:43 PM
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Who knows
If it would sonic test maybe bore it to 4.23". 427 crank?
Dwight
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02-21-2008, 07:44 PM
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I have seen on 428 that was crossbolted like a 427 and it also had oil lines spraying oil through the side. I know the guy that had it built spend thousands of dollars setting it up for drag racing. Never heard it run but the builder told me it would be as strong as a side oiler.
My thoughts are that it might be cheaper to buy a side oiler than to modify a 428. My personal opinion is that the 428 is a very strong engine and I believe it was every bit as powerful and dependable as my 427 (I put 4000 race miles on mine and it would be here today if I had done a routine bearing check each year).
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02-21-2008, 07:46 PM
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I think the 428 is a better street motor for our Cobras.
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02-21-2008, 08:57 PM
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I have to be honest with all of the different ways that Ford cast the blocks I would have to see the inside of the engine. We can cross bolt any kind of FE block with after market main caps that we get. If the block has the bosses it makes it that much easier. You would need to get it baked, tumbled, crack check, pressure checked and all before you did anything for sure. Thanks, Keith
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02-22-2008, 07:06 AM
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Thin-Galleyed Sideoiler
You know Dwight, with a few sawed-off bolt heads and a tube of J-B Weld that block could be cross-bolted in no time. Yessirreee, that S-block is starting to look more and more like the "thin-galleyed sideoiler," the rarest of all FEs; seen by few, but coveted by all.  |
02-22-2008, 08:09 AM
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428 block
This is a pic of the "S" code block.
Dwight
What can you tell me about this intake, other than it weight 86 lbs.? What does the large 'S'
mean?
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02-22-2008, 08:45 AM
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What can you tell me about this intake, other than it weight 86 lbs.? What does the large 'S' mean? |
The "Q" in the fifth slot of the VIN indicates that you have the 428 "Q" option -- maybe you have 14 bolts in the exhaust manifold, yes? It was not a high performance engine, but that doesn't matter, it's a damn fine block and they're getting harder to find. Plug in "Q-Code 428" in google and you'll find lots of threads. The "S" on the intake manifold is found on the Q-Code cars, and they are hernias in the making so be careful. |
02-22-2008, 09:16 AM
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Certainly a block that is worth building. Of course like Keith said you need to determine that the block is not damaged or cracked. I would suspect that it should be in good shape given that it was in a station wagon. Has it been over bored or is the cylinders standard.
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02-22-2008, 09:42 AM
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The extra webbing on the mains makes it look like a CJ block but I thought those didn't start until 68.
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02-22-2008, 09:49 AM
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The extra webbing on the mains makes it look like a CJ block but I thought those didn't start until 68.
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That's probably true (mid '67ish) for CJs, but remember the PIs had the extra webbing long before the CJs did, and it looked just the same. |
02-22-2008, 10:38 AM
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I did some research over on fordfe.com on the S code and "in some cases, not all" the block will have the cross-bolt pedestals, bosses and a side oiler gallery casting. I see that the block does have the cross-bolt pedestals, couldn't tell on the cross bolt-bosses and oil gallerythough. I also see that there have been some 390 "S'" code blocks too.
All in all it appears to be a valuable chunk-o-iron and definately worth doing the research and rebuilding. Great find!! 
Dave
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02-22-2008, 10:43 AM
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If there is one thing you can depend on, it's that you can not depend on any of the hen-scratching that you find all over the FEs. You have to look at the innards of the block to be sure.
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02-22-2008, 07:24 PM
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standard bore
wagon had 87,000 miles on it
crank needs turning, everything looks good
Dwight
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02-22-2008, 08:21 PM
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Quote:
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What can you tell me about this intake, other than it weight 86 lbs.? What does the large 'S' mean? |
The 'S' denoted an engine to be allocated to the Station wagon line. 
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02-23-2008, 05:38 AM
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The 'S' denoted an engine to be allocated to the Station wagon line. |
That's not probably true. I have worked on many 390GT engines of the era and they all had a big S like that on the intake.
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02-23-2008, 06:08 AM
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That's not probably true. I have worked on many 390GT engines of the era and they all had a big S like that on the intake.
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Sorry, man, it was a weak attempt at humor on my part. Trying to decipher all the markings is definitely partly detective work.
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