How do you answer, "Is it real?"

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Perhaps, but they are not sold as turn key cars, but specifically labeled "component vehicles" by SAI/CSL in their federal documents.

true, but that doesn't diminishes the stated facts

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

true, but that doesn't diminishes the stated facts

That it is a "component vehicle" built under license by Superformance or Kirkham (depending on fiberglass or Aluminum) for SAI, yes, I, I agree, 100%. Still does not make it an original Cobra, which would be an original to anyone who was asking the original question, sorry

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

That it is a "component vehicle" built under license by Superformance or Kirkham (depending on fiberglass or Aluminum) for SAI, yes, I, I agree, 100%. Still does not make it an original Cobra, which would be an original to anyone who was asking the original question, sorry

csx 4000-9000: real Shelby Cobras
csx 2000-3000: original Shelby Cobras

there is no help for those who either refuse or aren't able to understand differentiated facts

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

csx 4000-9000: real Shelby Cobras
csx 2000-3000: original Shelby Cobras

there is no help for those who either refuse or aren't able to understand differentiated facts

Yep, we've been trying to get a few people here to grok this fact for years and somehow it just whizzes right over their heads.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

csx 4000-9000: real Shelby Cobras
csx 2000-3000: original Shelby Cobras

there is no help for those who either refuse or aren't able to understand differentiated facts

From Ned Scudder (Nedsel), the caretaker of the Shelby World Registry for the only real Cobras, those built between 1962-1967 (page 57, post #1127), and the world's foremost expert on Cobras, since you guys refuse to read the old 64-page thread:

Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

"This is simply pointing out the obvious, but all Evan has taught anyone is how to be obstinate, selective in one's statement of the facts, and twist reality to suit his agenda. Both the registry and the SAAC website clearly state the later Shelby-built Cobras are replicas of the 60's icon, but Evan focuses only on the club's decision to call them something else to help distinguish them from other replicas.

Face the facts: a car built to copy something built by a different company some 35 years earlier with different tooling and materials in a dissimilar manner on a different continent with an entirely different corporate structure, clearly can't be the same as the original. The story of Pinocchio was a fable, and even though a fairy princess turned a bundle of sticks into a "real, live, boy,"no fairy can turn a 2001 Shelby Cobra into a real 1965 AC-Shelby Cobra.

But if and when it happens, please let us know."

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

csx 4000-9000: real Shelby Cobras
csx 2000-3000: original Shelby Cobras

there is no help for those who either refuse or aren't able to understand differentiated facts

Your opinion isn't a fact. It's an opinion. Read the World Registry or just read Ned Scudder's comments in the old thread.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Your opinion isn't a fact. It's an opinion. Read the World Registry or just read Ned Scudder's comments in the old thread.

good grief. Tell us, precisely what isn't factual there?

The "World Registry" has become an obsolete work. Noone cares any more, and what in it made it the sole source? It's a collection of random facts. And it's relevance is asymptotically approaching zero. Since it now includes only originals, and since the pay grade of all of the original owners is way above anything what that book includes, it's market is those interested academically in one or more of the cars. It's a coffee table book at best. Eliminating the replicas cut the potential customer base in more than half and alienated the owners that were in the book so they won't buy one at all, probably not even the previous version. Brilliant going out of business strategy. I almost bought one until I saw what it had and then went to a public location and photographed some relevant pages and saved myself a whole bunch of money. Is it printed in stock in a warehouse or is now print on demand? Or will it be printed at all?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

good grief. Tell us, precisely what isn't factual there?

The "World Registry" has become an obsolete work. Noone cares any more, and what in it made it the sole source? It's a collection of random facts. And it's relevance is asymptotically approaching zero. Since it now includes only originals, and since the pay grade of all of the original owners is way above anything what that book includes, it's market is those interested academically in one or more of the cars. It's a coffee table book at best. Eliminating the replicas cut the potential customer base in more than half and alienated the owners that were in the book so they won't buy one at all, probably not even the previous version. Brilliant going out of business strategy. I almost bought one until I saw what it had and then went to a public location and photographed some relevant pages and saved myself a whole bunch of money. Is it printed in stock in a warehouse or is now print on demand? Or will it be printed at all?

So you haven't read the book, but copied a few relevant pages? I'll guess that you probably copied a page on your old green/gold Shelby replica. Hilarious. You have an opinion on something you haven't read, wow, well there you go.

I choose to believe one of the world's foremost authorities on Cobras, Ned Scudder, and the Shelby World Registry, which compiled facts/info on Cobras or you. I choose the former, not the latter.

I also choose to believe that the Cobras produced by Shelby, or the diluted version of Shelby, 30 years later, some in fiberglass or carbon fiber no less, are replicas.

Plain and simple.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

So you haven't read the book, but copied a few relevant pages? I'll guess that you probably copied a page on your old green/gold Shelby replica. Hilarious. You have an opinion on something you haven't read, wow, well there you go.

I choose to believe one of the world's foremost authorities on Cobras, Ned Scudder, and the Shelby World Registry, which compiled facts/info on Cobras or you. I choose the former, not the latter.

I also choose to believe that the Cobras produced by Shelby, or the diluted version of Shelby, 30 years later, some in fiberglass or carbon fiber no less, are replicas.

Plain and simple.

I didn't say I didn't read it, only that I copied what was relevant to me. In all I will assert that anyone reading it will find it to be boring and monotonous and only a few pages of interest to those that own that particular car. True, it is full of interesting facts, but the market that will buy an expensive book like that for all those factoids is very limited. Libraries. But it's not even available at the library in Vegas.

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

That it is a "component vehicle" built under license by Superformance or Kirkham (depending on fiberglass or Aluminum) for SAI, yes, I, I agree, 100%. Still does not make it an original Cobra, which would be an original to anyone who was asking the original question, sorry

um its NOT superformance its Hi-tech the parent Co.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by ERA 626

um its NOT superformance its Hi-tech the parent Co.

Thanks for correcting that and agreeing with everything else

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Thanks for correcting that and agreeing with everything else

You are part of the problem here, follow your signature line... you seem to like to argue... yes The 6000 series CSX cars are made by Hi-Tech... your point?

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by ERA 626

You are part of the problem here, follow your signature line... you seem to like to argue... yes The 6000 series CSX cars are made by Hi-Tech... your point?

You need to lighten up, it's not arguing, at least not on my end, just some friendly teasing as the subject matter, and this thread have been twisted beyond it's original intent, as was the original question presented

Here is wishing you well.

Bill