How do you answer, "Is it real?"

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Shelby sells a kit now, not a completed car, because the car doesn't meet current Federal safety and emissions laws.

Factual, yet selectively presented to meet an agenda. "Rollers" are sold as such so that the creator doesn't have to be a manufacturer, and yes, you can't "manufacture" to today's specs, but that includes all those making 32 Fords and Mustangs. In some ways, all "Rollers" are a loophole.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Factual, yet selectively presented to meet an agenda. "Rollers" are sold as such so that the creator doesn't have to be a manufacturer, and yes, you can't "manufacture" to today's specs, but that includes all those making 32 Fords and Mustangs. In some ways, all "Rollers" are a loophole.

Not sure what your point is here.

A Cobra cannot meet Federal safety and emissions laws, thus they can't be driven off the dealer's lot by the new owners and registered by the dealer.

Here in CA, they have to go through the SPCNS/SB100 procedure(s), which involves B&L BAR and CHP inspections. You don't have to do that with a 2019 Honda Civic or whatever.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Your interpretation because it suits your agenda. I know that Shelby American disagrees. And those of us that buy or have bought them don't get what the burr under your saddle is. But go ahead, you're speaking to only 1% of the Shelby CSX owners here anyway.

Chrysler has been sold many times and yet they still are Chryslers. Even Ferrari isn't Ferrari yet do you see anyone claiming that they are now built by Fiat?

Again, nothing new can or will be said.

First, here's my agenda: the only real and/or original Shelby Cobras were made between 1962-1967. I don't own one, but the history of those cars shouldn't be watered down just to make current Shelby replicas owners feel better about their purchase and the fact that they paid a premium for their replica.

1% of CSX owners? Another made up statistic.

That's why I keep referring people to the previous thread. Just read it. And also read the 2008 World Registry. Why the 2008 World Registry? Because the new Registry drops all replicas.

[Jaydee]

I saw a funny sign traveling in Uerope, "antiques made daily" JD

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

I saw a funny sign traveling in Uerope, "antiques made daily" JD

Most of the members around here are becoming antiques.

[xb-60]

I keep telling myself to stay away from this 'discussion'....but we're all car blokes so common sense goes out the window.

Here's my once only take on it.

What is a Shelby' car? If it was made by the Shelby company, or made under a Shelby contract by another company for Shelby, then surely, yes, it must be a 'Shelby'.

What is a 'Cobra'? If it's preceded by the Shelby name, it can only be one of the 998 cars that left the Shelby premises back in the 1960s

If it's a Shelby Cobra Continuation car, then it is a Shelby authorised 'replica' of the '60s Shelby Cobras. You can try and get around that description using a semantics argument, but you can't get away from the fact that a Shelby Cobra Continuation car is not a Shelby Cobra.

I'm out

Cheers!
Glen

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by xb-60

I keep telling myself to stay away from this 'discussion'....but we're all car blokes so common sense goes out the window.

Here's my once only take on it.

What is a Shelby' car? If it was made by the Shelby company, or made under a Shelby contract by another company for Shelby, then surely, yes, it must be a 'Shelby'.

What is a 'Cobra'? If it's preceded by the Shelby name, it can only be one of the 998 cars that left the Shelby premises back in the 1960s

If it's a Shelby Cobra Continuation car, then it is a Shelby authorised 'replica' of the '60s Shelby Cobras. You can try and get around that description using a semantics argument, but you can't get away from the fact that a Shelby Cobra Continuation car is not a Shelby Cobra.

I'm out

Cheers!
Glen

your comments are confusing to say the least.
Your first sentence
"What is a Shelby' car? If it was made by the Shelby company, or made under a Shelby contract by another company for Shelby, then surely, yes, it must be a 'Shelby'."

The 4000/6000 series cars fall under this catagory, so according to your statement, these cars are shelbys, right?

Sentence #2 no clue

Sentence #3 is canceling sentence#1 are we ok? or are are we confused here?

this is why this thread is like herding cats...

[Scott Stubler]

I Generally reply, No, my pockets aren't that deep."

[cycleguy55]

Cobras nomenclature:

• Original: One of the original 998 Cobras built by Shelby
• Shelby: All of the above, plus any other (continuation) Cobra made by the Shelby company, or made under a Shelby contract by another company for Shelby.
• Cobra: All of the above, plus replicas, kit cars, etc. utilizing the Cobra shape, design, etc., even if not 100% faithful to the original.

Just my $0.02.

[spdbrake]

IMPO I like the Fake thread better. My fake is faker than your fake! (Where my car belongs)
I'll admit I'm not a faithful replica aficionado (nut is too harsh). I won't chase down an ultra rare elbow fitting to install on my quasi-replica.

I'm always honest when asked about my car. It's like a Comb-over. Who are you really fooling....?

[t walgamuth]

I'm gonna just start saying "I wish"!

[patrickt]

Back in the ol' days, this thread would now be locked. But, it's just about the only active thread we have going anymore.

[t walgamuth]

I have never understood why threads get locked (not picking on this forum). I like them when they wander and so forth.

[Jaydee]

I drove past a sport car dealeship north of Melbourne a couple of months ago and saw a Cobra. So I stopped to have a look, and the salesman came up and told me it was a real one, not one of them fake plastic copies. I said how much? He said it was the bosses private car, so not for sale, but telephone numbers.
I said ok, I have one of them fake plastic copies, and he dissapeared. Even though I was looking at some of the other nice cars there. JD

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I have never understood why threads get locked (not picking on this forum).

Threads used to get closed when the prejudicial impact of the posts outweighed the probative value of the information. That, at least, was the test in the ol' days....

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Threads used to get closed when the prejudicial impact of the posts outweighed the probative value of the information. That, at least, was the test in the ol' days....

Are you a lawyer?

[jhv48]

Here’s a question I get asked a lot. And usually it’s from a guy that pulls up next to me at a traffic light. “Hey, what year is that?”
So how do you truthfully answer that question in fifteen seconds while idling Loudly next to another vehicle?
I don’t have the time at the light to explain that my car was built in 2009 to replicate a 1965 vehicle while my car is exploding out of the sidepipe right next to his ear.
So, I lie and say “1965” just to avoid a shouting match. Just seems simpler.
My bad.

[kevins2]

Originally Posted by jhv48

Here’s a question I get asked a lot. And usually it’s from a guy that pulls up next to me at a traffic light. “Hey, what year is that?”
So how do you truthfully answer that question in fifteen seconds while idling Loudly next to another vehicle?
I don’t have the time at the light to explain that my car was built in 2009 to replicate a 1965 vehicle while my car is exploding out of the sidepipe right next to his ear.
So, I lie and say “1965” just to avoid a shouting match. Just seems simpler.
My bad.

I answer "It's a 6 year old replica of a 1966 Shelby Cobra". Short enough to shout to someone who asks that question. And, you're right, it gets asked a lot.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by jhv48

Here’s a question I get asked a lot. And usually it’s from a guy that pulls up next to me at a traffic light. “Hey, what year is that?”
So how do you truthfully answer that question in fifteen seconds while idling Loudly next to another vehicle?
I don’t have the time at the light to explain that my car was built in 2009 to replicate a 1965 vehicle while my car is exploding out of the sidepipe right next to his ear.
So, I lie and say “1965” just to avoid a shouting match. Just seems simpler.
My bad.

You answered correctly because that is the question he asked. It happened alot at gas stations. Imagine if he'd asked an you said 2009 and he called Hillbank and said "I want one of those 2009 Cobra cars". If they probe deeper about its origin and lineage and who built it and when and most of the time they get the doe-in-the-headlights look since they didn't really ask a question that required a PhD dissertation.

[mrmustang]

Cobra ownership-Check
Manufacturer-irrelevant
How you use the car-irrelevant
Enthusiasm-check
Life in general-priceless

For everything else, you have this thread and at least 100 others just like it that go nowhere, and do nothing for the above.

Bottom line, as long as you are happy with what you personally own, great. For how to call your car, only you have to answer that question and live with the response, whether it is truthful or not.

Bill