What a surprise!

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by VRM

McVeigh is a terrorist who happens to be Christian. A more apt comparison is the anti-abortion folks who kill abortion docs, burn and bomb clinics, and so on. They are terrorists who kill for Christian ideals.

The Ottoman Empire did what all empires have done or attempted to do. The Roman Empire, Hitlers Reich, Ghenghis Kahn and others conquered, slaughtered, and imposed their will because it kept their people in a position of strength, and gave them influence and wealth. The fact that the Ottomans were Muslim is irrelevant. Especially since other Muslims fought to overthrow them. Religion is a tool that is used by leaders to achieve a goal.

Steve

Some goals are good!!!!!

[VRM]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

Some goals are good!!!!!

Yep, that is true. Hitler, while being a murdering maniac, still managed to put together the Autobahn.

Islam has the same basic tenets as Christianity. If reasonable people follow those tenets then reasonable results will usually follow.

Steve

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by VRM

Yep, that is true. Hitler, while being a murdering maniac, still managed to put together the Autobahn.

Islam has the same basic tenets as Christianity. If reasonable people follow those tenets then reasonable results will usually follow.

Steve

Then you think the problem with Muslims are they are unreasonable?

Name some of those basic tenets that are the same?