Take no prisoners......literally.....

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Originally Posted by zrayr

you actually don't know what you are talking about.

US Liberals with first hand (war) experience:


George Washington
John Adams
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Thomas Jefferson
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
Ulysses Grant
Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Jackson
James Madison
James Monroe
Sen Ted Kennedy
George McGovern ( WW II )
Sen. Jim Webb (Vietnam)
Sen. Chuck Robb (Vietnam)
Sen. Tom Harkins (Vietnam)
Senator Daniel Inouye ( WW II, awarded Congressional Medal of Honor)
Representative Jack Murtha
Representative Daniel K. Akaka (WW II )

and many others, past & present, including my own brother, now deceased, who was a Vietnam vet.

it's no coincidence that most of the returning Iraq vets who are running for Congress are running as Democrats.


Happy Thanksgiving

Z. Ray

George Washington a liberal? Held his own trials in camp for deserters and took them out and shot them. Was for limited government.

John Adams NEVER served one day of military duty. Was for limited government.

Thomas Paine said "at best government is a necessary evil" not exactly a liberal thought. Not the liberal mantra

Thomas Jefferson also radically against big government, in his writings of Virginia Constitution, after a person was found guilty of a capital crime, they were taken the next day and executed. Only exception was no executions on the Sunday.Jefferson's arch enemy was Alexander Hamilton who was the architect of our Government, and Jefferson thought Hamilton was ruining the fledgling nation with his thoughts of a centralized government. Not a liberal.

Benedict Arnold was also a veteran as Murtha is neither reserve respect for their others despicable behavior.

What these men stood for are considered Conservative Values today. In a different time and use of language they were liberal because they wanted freedom from King George who was the oppressor because he put himself above the law. Today we want freedom King Obama for the same reasons.