Dems pass BIG reform in 1933

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

There is the fundamental flaw with right wingers, they could care less who shares in the wealth. Their greed knows no boundaries, they will crush who ever gets in their way in their pursuit of profits. Even to attempting a coup based on facism to "save us from communism". If FDR wouldn't be intimidated enough to step down, he would be assinated.

Remember, the wealth was held with just a few people, 50% of the population lived at near subsistance level. The GDP has absolutely no relationship to standard of living the American people enjoyed. That was true all the way through WWII. The standard of living went largely unchanged well into the mid 1950's, in spite of the GDP numbers. Which could be read as the GDP of a handful of corporations controlling the wealth, which never reached the common man.

More liberal snakiness. Facts show you to be wrong so you change the subject to greed and standards of living. The main idea of this thread is that the Gov't's programs did not fix or end the depression. Start a new thread about greed and living standards, if you like, but try to stay on point on this one.

[Excaliber]

The main idea of this thread is that the Gov't's programs did not fix or end the depression.

Very good Dan, that is precisely the discussion for this thread. And by the way, you are completly wrong in your analysis. Just like the Republicans of 29, 30, 31 and 1932. You would prefer to do nothing, because "nothing" works better than "something". OK then, I see where you coming from (a freakin' neanderthal cave).

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Very good Dan, that is precisely the discussion for this thread. And by the way, you are completly wrong in your analysis. Just like the Republicans of 29, 30, 31 and 1932. You would prefer to do nothing, because "nothing" works better than "something". OK then, I see where you coming from (a freakin' neanderthal cave).

Liberalism 101:
When proven wrong, immediately accuse your opponent of something, anything, ridiculous.

I'd have been surprised and worried about you had you not followed the standard liberal book of negating history.

[Excaliber]

The right wing Republicans were wrong in the '30's and they are wrong today. What we are seeing is literally the end of the Republican party as we have known it. Their refusal to address the needs of the people in favor of the needs of the Capitalist has led to this inevitable conclusion.

It is doubtful the party will ever gain control again, it will, it is all ready, splintered with no leadership. The 100% AGAINST Health Care vote is but one example the people will remember. It's mistakes have been to many, for to long, it cannot recover.

Obama's power and voter base will continue to grow. There will be some minor setbacks along the way. Just enough to give the Republicans "hope", but it will be a fleeting hope. Like the up coming mid term elections. Some Dems will be replaced by Repubs, some Repubs by Dems. The balance of complete power may shift slightly away from the Dem's, but it will be a false illusion of "hope" for the Repub's. They will never achieve a strong power base again. As a party, they are finished.

They will "wait", it's what they do, to "see what happens" and this will be there undoing. The Democratic campaign is going on right NOW. The Repub's, leaderless, confused, angry are lashing out with harsh criticism, dark words. Doing everything in their power to stop the changes, they are to late. They will continue to search for leadership but no man (or woman) is going to come riding in on a white horse to save them (in their dreams maybe).

There is a little hope in one direction. That main stream America will leave the Democrats in droves and join the party. That alone will be sufficient to overcome the latino vote, growing daily, the young people vote, still filled with hope and those who will have benefited from Health Reform. The combined number of voters favorable to the Democrats will be difficult or impossible to overcome.

Time to build that bunker in the woods you been thinking about, the times they are a changing...

This Op Ed piece opinion is not based on Liberal, Conservative or Moderate views. It is simply how I see the political future shapeing up. I don't necessarily like what I see, but only a fool lies to himself.

[Ronbo]

"100% against the health care vote"

Doesn't sound very "splintered" to me... What does sound "splintered" is what this bill's final form will be.

[Excaliber]

Actually I think there was ONE Republican who voted with the Dem's, so yeah, the group is clearly "splintered".

But seriously, by splintered I mean they have no concise focal point, no clear platform, no leadership, they are struggling to understand their own position on various issues. Not all agree on what they should be. The "Tea Party" advocates represent an interesting delima for the Repubs as I see it. Perhaps they will become the NEW Republican Party? Or, will they be absorbed (resistance is futile) by the party and then lost again because no one is quite sure how they fit in on a National level. Or, will we see the rise of a THIRD party?

But yes, there is HOPE, at least the party can come together long enough and strong enough to vote AGAINST something, even if they can't stand up FOR something.