Global Warming. Really?

[Scott S]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

I chuckle everytime I see that, I picture Captn Picard on an "away mission", chain saw in hand...

There are trees on other planets? Cool....

Have you ever heard of the Great Sahara Forest?

On another story..

Call it the mystery of the missing thermometers.

"Two months after “climategate” cast doubt on some of the science behind global warming, new questions are being raised about the reliability of a key temperature database, used by the United Nations and climate change scientists as proof of recent planetary warming.

Two American researchers allege that U.S. government scientists have skewed global temperature trends by ignoring readings from thousands of local weather stations around the world, particularly those in colder altitudes and more northerly latitudes, such as Canada."

http://www.vancouversun.com/technolo...634/story.html

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Sounds a little paranoid, but OK.

There is NOTHING paranoid about government wanting to control us. Governments from the very beginning have been all about control. King George overreached and see what it got him? Thats what they do! And a little bit is OK as long as it focusses on its original mandate (moral code, law, bad guys, etc). When governments start tossing aside our inalienable rights, and start "providing" for the common good rather than "promoting" the common good, then its game over. "Health Care Reform" is all about control when it could have been about reform (which is needed). And to wit, Climate Change legislations is ALL about control. Control what manufactures produce, control what people buy, control how people live. IF YOU CANNOT SEE THAT, YOU ARE BLIND. You, Ernie, are the frog in the pot of water that has slowly been heated up. You do not notice it, and soon you will be on someones menu. You remind me of the Tories in the book "1776" that wanted to stay with King George. The Tories liked it because they were used to it.

[Excaliber]

The liberals...

I believe the essence of the quote relates to "Liberals" wanting to control us.

What? No worries about the psuedo facist conservative side giving that "control thing" a shot? Or, maybe I'm just being paranoid.

[Scott S]

They have found a place to stand if the ice melts... on the USS Honolulu

[Maurice Butler]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01...armest_decade/

note the increase is still in the margin of error - if the first measurements (30 yrs ago) is at the top end of the error band we have global cooling!

Check out a book called heaven=eart that looks at the science behind golbal warming

[Ron61]

Good picture Scott but a little over sized. Was the sub just coming up from under the ice or what? It looks kind of rusty in the place or two that show well.

Ron

[Joe Wicked]

Since I spent my time in on Subs, I will answer Ron. The sub was up and had been up for a little while. Probably 4-8 hours. The rust is actually quite normal as well just from being submerged in Salt Water. That is the reason that every time we are in port someone is chipping the paint and rust off to repaint it. Minimize the rust. The bears would have run from the sound and vibrations and slowly come back to investigate. Looks like they were just arriving back to investigate. If they are getting ready to dive or leave the boat for some more science missions they will blow the horn to scare them away.

[Ron61]

Thanks Joe. The only subs I have ever been around was ones that I have seen going and leaving the San Francisco area and also Pearl Harbor. I have never had a chance to go aboard one and look at it.

Ron

[Excaliber]

Close to 25 years in Honolulu, MANY MANY attempts to figure out a way to get a tour of a sub. Never happened. You really gotta have connections to get near those things. I even personally knew an officer on a sub, he tried a couple of times but couldn't pull it off. The timing was wrong or whatever. Kind of bummed, I really wanted to do that.

[Joe Wicked]

Post 9/11 even I who was a submariner with an honorable medical discharge cannot get a tour of even the older boats I served on. If you are not Active Duty, you really have to have connections. A friend of mine locally here in TX who was also Navy has a cousin who is an admiral in the Navy and he could not get a tour on an Aircraft Carrier when he was in San Diego a few years back. It is too bad you did not get a chance as it really is a lot different than most imagine. The passageways are very narrow and the overhead very low. Tight quarters do not even begin to describe it and the smell you will never forget. We use a chemical called Amine to remove carbon dioxide from the air to allow use of every bit of O2. The Amine is a liquid and it will evaporate into the air and that is the "submarine smell" everyone talks about. I will turn anything white to brown that only Bleach and lots of it will get out. The tight quarters and the amine cause Submariners to go through more uniforms on average than other sailors. I have a few pictures and if you are on Facebook I can give you a link on there where you can get a few shots to kind of get the idea.

[Dan40]

Odd, global warming leveled off from the 40's to the 70's. Yet we, man and the USA, did more completely unregulated manufacturing then than we ever did before or since. Odd.